The average druggie isn't a good advert for the product Don. I have
wondered whether I get this wrong though. I'm genuinely put off by
the idea of leading a scumbag life stealing from my Mother, kids and
State, fixing Vim into my veins and headache powder mixed with
corrosive acid up my nose before staggering into shops to borrow from
them to ensure another tomorrow just like today. Perhaps the natural
scumbags live lives with so much misery in them that the government
health warnings look like paradise to them? Something between 5 and
10% of cash in the global economy at any one time is being laundered
and it's surely been obvious for centuries that our bwankers are no
brighter than anyone else and must be criminal to make the obscene
amounts they lay claim to. History has overtly connected drugs to big
business (The Opium Wars) and much business with China requires Triad
help. Smugglers were part of the landscape in 17th century Britain
and need something to smuggle. Currently this is as likely to be
booze and fags as whatever bleach scourer is in fashion.
On 20 Mar, 23:30, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:
> Brilliant! You had me laughing out loud. We need to legalize the
> stuff. I don't see it causing any more problems then prescription
> pain killers and alcohol cause already. Do you think there's a drug
> lord lobby keeping it illegal? It's really not that hard to get
> whatever you want whenever you want it. The people dealing it are a
> bit slimy however, so it does limit their customer base. It kinda
> reduces the urge to use if you must rub elbows with scumbags to get
> your fix.
>
> dj
>
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 7:15 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Yeah Slip - Mexico seems nice and peaceful if you don't trade in drugs
> > or drug enforcement. I suspect, had gun powder not been invented,
> > someone would have invented a jar that collected farts and later we
> > would have had the methane bomb. There is no doubt left in my mind
> > that crime is going up across the UK. Unemployment is a major cause -
> > but this isn't simply about the 8 million or so really unemployed and
> > a large army around this under-employed - probably a figure of 15
> > million in full-time equivalents (we admit to only 2 million). There
> > are very few jobs offering any dignity now. Drugs here is an infant
> > industry in comparison to what I've seen abroad - totally squalid and
> > about closed trading of small amounts. If anyone gets in with a
> > 'branded, cheap high grade' the lid will blow off. The only
> > contingency plan we have is to bring in someone probably completely
> > unlike Craig to do a Bat Masterson - though I think Bat did most of
> > his work with a pickaxe handle. By the time our current polticoes
> > have drained us dry (about 6 months I'd guess) and given all our money
> > to offshore bwankers, Britain will once more rise above other nations
> > morally and re-establish itself as the true base of state based
> > terrorism and control international trading though drugs. I have dug
> > up the bones of Drake and Raleigh and asked my good friend Harrington
> > to lay a few charms about to hasten their return. Even as I speak, my
> > good friend Vam is preparing the ground for a new, righteous set of
> > Opium Wars. In China, my good friend Tong Triad is preparing to re-
> > enslave his nation for the common good (ours). All this because our
> > governments can't find some satisfactory work for us to do. I never
> > wanted to be a megalomaniac- honest! It was all the Job Centre's
> > fault!
>
> > On 16 Mar, 03:27, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> I guess you are right about the region differentiation, as some states
> >> are rated as the most violent, not to mention the bull turd influence
> >> of the hispanic drug war fatalities that add to the statistical
> >> evaluation of crime.
>
> >> On Mar 15, 10:12 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> > We kill each other less here per capita than you do Slip - it's
> >> > actually a massive difference. But I can tell you Saratoga Springs
> >> > feels much less violent than Bolton.
>
> >> > On 16 Mar, 03:03, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> > > The population of UK is about 61 million in comparison to USA at over
> >> > > 300 million. So the interpretation of "Less Violent" needs
> >> > > visitation, Archy.
>
> >> > > On Mar 15, 9:56 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> > > > Michael - the short sword increased murders. It takes a bit more
> >> > > > time
> >> > > > to train people to use knives and cheese-wire to kill - most find
> >> > > > guns
> >> > > > easier. Most of us don't want to kill and have to be trained in it.
> >> > > > Cultures are vastly different, but generally it is poor men who kill
> >> > > > and get killed, usually young. Europe has been a very violent place
> >> > > > through history. Britain is much less violent in terms of murders
> >> > > > than the USA, yet I generally feel safer in the States (I don't work
> >> > > > in or visit your hot murder spots), perhaps because your cops are
> >> > > > much
> >> > > > more impressive than ours and more visibly present (you have a lot
> >> > > > more of them per capita too).
>
> >> > > > On 14 Mar, 16:50, Michael Berkovits <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> > > > > One fact that's always interesting in these contexts is the two
> >> > > > > tribes
> >> > > > > studied by sociologists. I'm not going to look them up now, but I
> >> > > > > believe one was called the Yamamoto. Anyway, one tribe had a rate
> >> > > > > of
> >> > > > > violence of essentially nil, and the other had an extraordinarily
> >> > > > > high
> >> > > > > murder rate - probably something like 5% of all adult males were
> >> > > > > murdered. It was a pride-driven culture, where males asserted
> >> > > > > masculinity in the face of (real or perceived) insults to
> >> > > > > themselves
> >> > > > > or their loved ones by killing the offender.
>
> >> > > > > Because of sexual selection, male competition is well-entrenched.
> >> > > > > But
> >> > > > > as the sociological tribal studies illustrate, the expression of
> >> > > > > that
> >> > > > > competition is not pre-ordained. Sometimes there are a lot of
> >> > > > > murders / duels / the like going on, and sometimes not. So there
> >> > > > > is
> >> > > > > some truth to the notion that social structures can decrease
> >> > > > > violence.
> >> > > > > But I think it is not a fair assumption that certain bugaboos of
> >> > > > > current society are to blame. After all, the Yamamoto didn't have
> >> > > > > cable tv, violent video games, and the internet, and they were way
> >> > > > > more violent than is modern Western society.
>
> >> > > > > Does anyone know the stats on how much more violent Europe and the
> >> > > > > US
> >> > > > > are, today, as compared to say the 1800's? I'm not sure it would
> >> > > > > be
> >> > > > > very different - but you'd have to figure out good ways of
> >> > > > > accounting
> >> > > > > for whether wars count, accounting for population, for population,
> >> > > > > density, etc.
>
> >> > > > > One factor that I think could reasonably be expected to have made a
> >> > > > > real difference is the invention of guns. It used to be that in
> >> > > > > order
> >> > > > > to kill someone, you had to do it in a really hands-on way. And
> >> > > > > only
> >> > > > > a sociopath could, say, gut someone to death, or kick and punch
> >> > > > > someone to death, without an extraordinarily compelling reason
> >> > > > > (e.g.,
> >> > > > > finding them in flagrante delicto). But guns depersonalize
> >> > > > > violence. I
> >> > > > > would have no problem firing a gun at someone, if I had a reason -
> >> > > > > like, if they were robbing me on a train and I felt in danger -
> >> > > > > while
> >> > > > > I think I would have a real problem stabbing them. It's too...
> >> > > > > icky.
> >> > > > > Too evil and sadistic.
>
> >> > > > > On Mar 14, 8:10 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> > > > > > There have long been killing sprees like this - Foucault brought
> >> > > > > > the
> >> > > > > > case of one to light in a paper, suggesting we listen to the
> >> > > > > > account
> >> > > > > > directly rather than through 'psychologists'. I doubt people
> >> > > > > > like
> >> > > > > > this can be stopped through better understanding. Perhaps we
> >> > > > > > should
> >> > > > > > declare free range on gun collectors and then arrest the
> >> > > > > > survivors?
> >> > > > > > Craig will undoubtedly support this position! I think some
> >> > > > > > people
> >> > > > > > might kill in order to ensure a therapist for life.
>
> >> > > > > > On 14 Mar, 11:41, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> > > > > > > We can't assume that social conditions had any influence on
> >> > > > > > > little
> >> > > > > > > Tim. He's described as a reclusive with some obsessive
> >> > > > > > > patterns.
> >> > > > > > > Would he had spent more time in social settings and extra
> >> > > > > > > curricular
> >> > > > > > > activities, there might have been a more positive outcome.
> >> > > > > > > I've seen
> >> > > > > > > how wealth can sometimes turn children into a type of family bi
> >> > > > > > > product with the idea that money can provide all the nurturing
> >> > > > > > > necessary for healthy development. Tim was cold and
> >> > > > > > > calculated in his
> >> > > > > > > intent lacking both emotional and rational aspects, probably a
> >> > > > > > > mentally wired zombie. It is really too bad he wasn't still
> >> > > > > > > alive, as
> >> > > > > > > the results of his psychoanalysis could provide a multitude of
> >> > > > > > > information that might prevent future breakdowns.
>
> >> > > > > > > On Mar 13, 11:38 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]>
> >> > > > > > > wrote:
>
> >> > > > > > > > "... One of the problems is conditions allowing the
> >> > > > > > > > emotional rule
> >> > > > > > > > over the rational." - bruce r.
>
> >> > > > > > > > Yes and another of the problems is the assumption that one's
> >> > > > > > > > 'rational' aspect can rule over the emotional.
>
> >> > > > > > > > On Mar 13, 7:27 am, bruce ralph <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> > > > > > > > > Animals do have a basic "fight or flight" response. When
> >> > > > > > > > > it goes into
> >> > > > > > > > > overdrive, it does result in sociopathic behaviour. We
> >> > > > > > > > > have to
> >> > > > > > > > > reexamine the the societal conditions that result in
> >> > > > > > > > > people "going
> >> > > > > > > > > off" like this. One of the problems is conditions
> >> > > > > > > > > allowing the
> >> > > > > > > > > emotional rule over the rational.
>
> >> > > > > > > > > On Mar 13, 7:20 am, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> > > > > > > > > > Sigmund might say it's all to do with his
> >> > > > > > > > > > relationship(or lack
> >> > > > > > > > > > thereof) with his Mom. Kids at that age are dealing
> >> > > > > > > > > > with raging
> >> > > > > > > > > > hormones and other chemical changes that some find
> >> > > > > > > > > > impossible to
> >> > > > > > > > > > handle. It is unfortunate in the extreme that his
> >> > > > > > > > > > therapy didn't pan
> >> > > > > > > > > > out. Chances are if he could have toughed it out for a
> >> > > > > > > > > > few more
> >> > > > > > > > > > months his body and mind would have recovered. I can't
> >> > > > > > > > > > imagine how
> >> > > > > > > > > > guilty his parents must feel. It's a horrible thing.
> >> > > > > > > > > > And so, so sad.
> >> > > > > > > > > > Tragic applies.
>
> >> > > > > > > > > > dj
>
> >> > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 4:34 AM, frantheman
> >> > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]>
>
> ...
>
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