Yeah Slip - Mexico seems nice and peaceful if you don't trade in drugs or drug enforcement. I suspect, had gun powder not been invented, someone would have invented a jar that collected farts and later we would have had the methane bomb. There is no doubt left in my mind that crime is going up across the UK. Unemployment is a major cause - but this isn't simply about the 8 million or so really unemployed and a large army around this under-employed - probably a figure of 15 million in full-time equivalents (we admit to only 2 million). There are very few jobs offering any dignity now. Drugs here is an infant industry in comparison to what I've seen abroad - totally squalid and about closed trading of small amounts. If anyone gets in with a 'branded, cheap high grade' the lid will blow off. The only contingency plan we have is to bring in someone probably completely unlike Craig to do a Bat Masterson - though I think Bat did most of his work with a pickaxe handle. By the time our current polticoes have drained us dry (about 6 months I'd guess) and given all our money to offshore bwankers, Britain will once more rise above other nations morally and re-establish itself as the true base of state based terrorism and control international trading though drugs. I have dug up the bones of Drake and Raleigh and asked my good friend Harrington to lay a few charms about to hasten their return. Even as I speak, my good friend Vam is preparing the ground for a new, righteous set of Opium Wars. In China, my good friend Tong Triad is preparing to re- enslave his nation for the common good (ours). All this because our governments can't find some satisfactory work for us to do. I never wanted to be a megalomaniac- honest! It was all the Job Centre's fault!
On 16 Mar, 03:27, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > I guess you are right about the region differentiation, as some states > are rated as the most violent, not to mention the bull turd influence > of the hispanic drug war fatalities that add to the statistical > evaluation of crime. > > On Mar 15, 10:12 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > We kill each other less here per capita than you do Slip - it's > > actually a massive difference. But I can tell you Saratoga Springs > > feels much less violent than Bolton. > > > On 16 Mar, 03:03, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > The population of UK is about 61 million in comparison to USA at over > > > 300 million. So the interpretation of "Less Violent" needs > > > visitation, Archy. > > > > On Mar 15, 9:56 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Michael - the short sword increased murders. It takes a bit more time > > > > to train people to use knives and cheese-wire to kill - most find guns > > > > easier. Most of us don't want to kill and have to be trained in it. > > > > Cultures are vastly different, but generally it is poor men who kill > > > > and get killed, usually young. Europe has been a very violent place > > > > through history. Britain is much less violent in terms of murders > > > > than the USA, yet I generally feel safer in the States (I don't work > > > > in or visit your hot murder spots), perhaps because your cops are much > > > > more impressive than ours and more visibly present (you have a lot > > > > more of them per capita too). > > > > > On 14 Mar, 16:50, Michael Berkovits <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > One fact that's always interesting in these contexts is the two tribes > > > > > studied by sociologists. I'm not going to look them up now, but I > > > > > believe one was called the Yamamoto. Anyway, one tribe had a rate of > > > > > violence of essentially nil, and the other had an extraordinarily high > > > > > murder rate - probably something like 5% of all adult males were > > > > > murdered. It was a pride-driven culture, where males asserted > > > > > masculinity in the face of (real or perceived) insults to themselves > > > > > or their loved ones by killing the offender. > > > > > > Because of sexual selection, male competition is well-entrenched. But > > > > > as the sociological tribal studies illustrate, the expression of that > > > > > competition is not pre-ordained. Sometimes there are a lot of > > > > > murders / duels / the like going on, and sometimes not. So there is > > > > > some truth to the notion that social structures can decrease violence. > > > > > But I think it is not a fair assumption that certain bugaboos of > > > > > current society are to blame. After all, the Yamamoto didn't have > > > > > cable tv, violent video games, and the internet, and they were way > > > > > more violent than is modern Western society. > > > > > > Does anyone know the stats on how much more violent Europe and the US > > > > > are, today, as compared to say the 1800's? I'm not sure it would be > > > > > very different - but you'd have to figure out good ways of accounting > > > > > for whether wars count, accounting for population, for population, > > > > > density, etc. > > > > > > One factor that I think could reasonably be expected to have made a > > > > > real difference is the invention of guns. It used to be that in order > > > > > to kill someone, you had to do it in a really hands-on way. And only > > > > > a sociopath could, say, gut someone to death, or kick and punch > > > > > someone to death, without an extraordinarily compelling reason (e.g., > > > > > finding them in flagrante delicto). But guns depersonalize violence. I > > > > > would have no problem firing a gun at someone, if I had a reason - > > > > > like, if they were robbing me on a train and I felt in danger - while > > > > > I think I would have a real problem stabbing them. It's too... icky. > > > > > Too evil and sadistic. > > > > > > On Mar 14, 8:10 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > There have long been killing sprees like this - Foucault brought the > > > > > > case of one to light in a paper, suggesting we listen to the account > > > > > > directly rather than through 'psychologists'. I doubt people like > > > > > > this can be stopped through better understanding. Perhaps we should > > > > > > declare free range on gun collectors and then arrest the survivors? > > > > > > Craig will undoubtedly support this position! I think some people > > > > > > might kill in order to ensure a therapist for life. > > > > > > > On 14 Mar, 11:41, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > We can't assume that social conditions had any influence on little > > > > > > > Tim. He's described as a reclusive with some obsessive patterns. > > > > > > > Would he had spent more time in social settings and extra > > > > > > > curricular > > > > > > > activities, there might have been a more positive outcome. I've > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > how wealth can sometimes turn children into a type of family bi > > > > > > > product with the idea that money can provide all the nurturing > > > > > > > necessary for healthy development. Tim was cold and calculated > > > > > > > in his > > > > > > > intent lacking both emotional and rational aspects, probably a > > > > > > > mentally wired zombie. It is really too bad he wasn't still > > > > > > > alive, as > > > > > > > the results of his psychoanalysis could provide a multitude of > > > > > > > information that might prevent future breakdowns. > > > > > > > > On Mar 13, 11:38 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > "... One of the problems is conditions allowing the emotional > > > > > > > > rule > > > > > > > > over the rational." - bruce r. > > > > > > > > > Yes and another of the problems is the assumption that one's > > > > > > > > 'rational' aspect can rule over the emotional. > > > > > > > > > On Mar 13, 7:27 am, bruce ralph <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Animals do have a basic "fight or flight" response. When it > > > > > > > > > goes into > > > > > > > > > overdrive, it does result in sociopathic behaviour. We have to > > > > > > > > > reexamine the the societal conditions that result in people > > > > > > > > > "going > > > > > > > > > off" like this. One of the problems is conditions allowing > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > emotional rule over the rational. > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 13, 7:20 am, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Sigmund might say it's all to do with his relationship(or > > > > > > > > > > lack > > > > > > > > > > thereof) with his Mom. Kids at that age are dealing with > > > > > > > > > > raging > > > > > > > > > > hormones and other chemical changes that some find > > > > > > > > > > impossible to > > > > > > > > > > handle. It is unfortunate in the extreme that his therapy > > > > > > > > > > didn't pan > > > > > > > > > > out. Chances are if he could have toughed it out for a few > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > months his body and mind would have recovered. I can't > > > > > > > > > > imagine how > > > > > > > > > > guilty his parents must feel. It's a horrible thing. And > > > > > > > > > > so, so sad. > > > > > > > > > > Tragic applies. > > > > > > > > > > > dj > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 4:34 AM, frantheman > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Just to get the facts straight, Vam, it has since emerged > > > > > > > > > > > that the > > > > > > > > > > > report that Tim K. had stated his intention to "whip up a > > > > > > > > > > > storm" in a > > > > > > > > > > > chat room (Krautchan, a German clone of 4Chan) was > > > > > > > > > > > incorrect. The > > > > > > > > > > > police had received reports of the entry in the chat room > > > > > > > > > > > forum, which > > > > > > > > > > > later turned out to be false. But Rech, the interior > > > > > > > > > > > minister, in a > > > > > > > > > > > move sadly typical for a politician, had already taken > > > > > > > > > > > the photo- > > > > > > > > > > > oppportunity to go public with the news. > > > > > > > > > > > > Far from being on Ritalin (a popular, if often > > > > > > > > > > > questionable treatment > > > > > > > > > > > for kids who are hyper and diagnosed as suffering from > > > > > > > > > > > Attention- > > > > > > > > > > > Deficit-Syndrome), as Don suggests, Tim K. is universally > > > > > > > > > > > described as > > > > > > > > > > > being quiet and somewhat withdrawn. Not, by any means, an > > > > > > > > > > > over- > > > > > > > > > > > achiever, but also not a kid who fully fits into the > > > > > > > > > > > omega-type, > > > > > > > > > > > weird, nerd-loser category in teenage group > > > > > > > > > > > classification. He had > > > > > > > > > > > recently begun therapeutic treatment for depression but > > > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > discontinued it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Part of the psychosis which drove K. to his killing spree > > > > > > > > > > > may have had > > > > > > > > > > > something to do with gender issues, Slip. The vast > > > > > > > > > > > majority of his > > > > > > > > > > > victims in the school were female, according to the > > > > > > > > > > > reports, and most > > > > > > > > > > > were killed with aimed, intentional head shots (this kid > > > > > > > > > > > was a trained > > > > > > > > > > > shooter). This, however, would seem to argue, in my view, > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > traditional gender differentiation - speculatively, a > > > > > > > > > > > generalised > > > > > > > > > > > aggression against females because particular girls had > > > > > > > > > > > rejected his > > > > > > > > > > > advances. If he had been the subject of peer-group > > > > > > > > > > > bullying/mobbing, > > > > > > > > > > > one would have expected more alpha-jock types amongst the > > > > > > > > > > > victims. > > > > > > > > > > > While it might be interesting to discuss gender-related > > > > > > > > > > > issues here, > > > > > > > > > > > Slip, my experience is that no group is more conservative > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > traditional with regard to gender-differentiation than > > > > > > > > > > > teenagers. > > > > > > > > > > > > Francis > > > > > > > > > > > > On 13 Mrz., 04:54, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >> There is something material to this discussion : The ' > > > > > > > > > > >> boy ' had > > > > > > > > > > >> indicated his mind, in his own words, day before > > > > > > > > > > >> committing the > > > > > > > > > > >> mayhem. Let's hear. > > > > > > > > > > > >> "I have weapons here and tomorrow morning I will go to > > > > > > > > > > >> my old school > > > > > > > > > > >> and really whip up a storm," Tim Kretschmer, 17, said in > > > > > > > > > > >> a chat > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
