You mean like Marilyn vos Savant, the holder of the Guiness book of records Highest IQ title? LOL
Actually I'm glad you brought up the incidence of Savant Syndrome but for the record it has Not been established that it is exclusively genetic in nature and it can also be acquired. It has Not been researched thoroughly and it usually is in reference to Down Syndrome and Autism. I could of course use it as an example of my belief of external influence upon a person but in the sense of savants I would not rule out the savant person as prenatally normal with innate talents that were unfortunately disrupted through the birth process that went awry. That is what makes it appear as though a mentally challenged person has some extraordinary ability when it May be that a extraordinary talented person had a bad time being physically born but managed to hold onto some innate quality. Possible Karmic intrusion? We can alter the Negative Personality Traits descriptive after your extrapolation revealing the pre-judgmental premise. However, considering that some of the person's traits may seem negative in the proportionate sense, I find it to be a valid premise. You don't know if knowledge can be innate but state that characteristics can be. This is the fork in the road, as I believe that knowledge can be innate, though I can't describe the process by which it takes place or ascertain it as fact. As you say Pat points out that we have such limited knowledge in this area and so we are confined in mind and thought concerning the ability to understand. In that sense we are not much different from the ancients, in that we ascribe a "belief" in order to create a pseudo understanding that seems to settle it somehow in our minds. When I sit out by the fire pit I realize that we have not moved much from our primordial beginnings and that the flames I am watching are exactly the same as the ancients watched. If there is anytime that I get close to life regression it is when I'm sitting before a fire, for me, a connection to the past. Of course the peyote helps, lol. If ever I get out that way I'll be sure to look you up. We have a daughters in Placerville and Camino, CA and might take a long drive someday, but I'll be in NY in August so I'm really not sure. It's all about economics as you very well know. Now, should you hit the big powerball and send some greenbacks, not talking about the money I could save with Geico, then I'll easily be able to make the trek. We will need a nice RV so don't get stingy. Do they still have Basha's there or where do you market? Two inch thick Porterhouse Steaks, mmm. Well it is almost midnight when I turn into a physicist, so I have to go. Later! On Mar 24, 9:53 pm, gruff <[email protected]> wrote: > "... On Mar 24, 7:10 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: ..." > > > It is not a classification across the board, gruff. > > Okay, that's a good start. > > > Let's wash this down a bit more and let's put aside the word "evil" > > for now. > > And I completely agree with that. "Evil" is a term loaded with > baggage. > > > Child A is born with talent, Child B is born with intellect, Child C > > is born with negative personality traits. > > Given the way you expand on this further down, can we say that A has > musical talent, B has academic ability and C has a curiosity that may > appear gruesome to some and not to others. Especially since, as you > point out, C may turn out to be a fine forensic scientist. Saying C > is born with negative personality traits is prejudging the content of > those traits. Yes, C could turn out to be a horrible serial killer, > but he can also turn out to be a fine scientist. > > Talent, intellect and personality traits, if genetic in origin rather > than learned, are free of morality. They are just raw ability as yet > unlearned and untrained. > > > Point being that knowledge can be innate, whether positive or > > negative. True? (if Yes read on, if No stop now) > > How about neither. I simply don't know if knowledge can be innate. I > am fairly certain that characteristics can be innate, but as to their > content -- I simply can't say but at first blush feel that knowledge > cannot be innate. I believe we are born naked, ignorant and in awe. > Much of what we become, much of what we develop out of that innate > talent, is learned or formed by our early surroundings. If we are > surrounded by a negative, horrific and brutal environment, that > talent, intellect and traits can become extremely twisted and may > easily be judged as bad. > > On the other hand, of those innate traits are nurtured and supported > in a loving environment that values such things as awareness, > compassion, empathy, truth, honor and love, then that person is likely > to become someone respected, valuable and highly praised. > > > Now, I also believe that there are cosmic forces that exist which can > > influence our lives beyond the physical realm and I think this is > > where the problem for some arises. We can look at the butterfly > > effect and consider that little Tim Kretschmer killed that pregnant > > woman because the baby she was carrying was going to become a > > monstrous killer of millions of people. Either way there seems to be > > more going on in the universe than what we perceive here on our little > > planet. > > This is true and fits in nicely with Pat's contention that our > judgmental perceptions are based on a naturally limited understanding > of the entire chain of events and leads to my conclusion that at best > we make ill-informed judgments. > > > If you don't believe in positive/negative, good/bad, and other cosmic > > forces and need scientific proof of such then the conversation is > > moot. > > I definitely believe in cosmic forces (though not supernatural ones) > but I find it difficult to conceive of them characterized in any > meaningful manner. They are raw forces and only gain character by the > uses they are put to by whatever creatures they happen to inhabit via > our DNA. > > > There is no proof of the existence or non existence of the > > aforementioned forces. > > Again I beg to differ. How do you account for savants? (as just one > example). > > BTW, after more than a year of sparse, bland healthy food, I'm getting > ready for one of those steaks. You coming out this way soon? > > /e --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
