"... On Mar 24, 9:59 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: ..."

> You mean like Marilyn vos Savant, the holder of the Guiness book of
> records Highest IQ title? LOL

Now there's a person who I'd like to criticize but I can't because we
are too alike.  I'm not comparing my IQ with hers other than both
being in the above average category, but rather in that we have both
wasted our talents.  The Wiki article about her is blandly
interesting, but then so is her life.

> Actually I'm glad you brought up the incidence of Savant Syndrome but
> for the record it has Not been established that it is exclusively
> genetic in nature and it can also be acquired.  It has Not been
> researched thoroughly and it usually is in reference to Down Syndrome
> and Autism.

This is true and from reading I've done its causes appears to be about
50/50 between genetic and developmental disabilities.  There, but for
lack of a knock on the noggin, go I.

> That is what makes it appear as though a mentally
> challenged person has some extraordinary ability when it May be that a
> extraordinary talented person had a bad time being physically born but
> managed to hold onto some innate quality.  Possible Karmic intrusion?

A viable possibility -- that of suffering a bad natal experience --
but I'm quite sure there's no Karmic intrusion involved.  That would
imply an external and judgmental force intruding on the normal
processes of birth, life and death.   Events may sometimes seem karmic
but I have little faith and even less belief in such events.

However, I do believe in the application of the principle of karma in
our own daily lives -- both emanating from others and ourselves.  We
reap what we sow and are rewarded or punished for our thoughts, words
and deeds judged by others and by ourselves.  But it is just that -- a
principle of life to which is given the label karma -- and it doesn't
always work either, as is exampled by numerous bad people who have
never suffered one iota of punishment for their bad deeds, and by
numerous good people who have suffered all sort of undeserved trauma
for no apparent reason.

> We can alter the Negative Personality Traits descriptive after your
> extrapolation revealing the pre-judgmental premise. However,
> considering that some of the person's traits may seem negative in the
> proportionate sense, I find it to be a valid premise.

I think Lord of the Flies admirably exemplifies the descent into
badness by those without guidance or nurturing.  However, this does
not speak to those born with characteristics and traits that lean
toward a negative bent seemingly in spite of a proper and healthy
environment in which to grow, and for that I have no explanation, not
even a half-educated guess.

> You don't know if knowledge can be innate but state that
> characteristics can be. This is the fork in the road, as I believe
> that knowledge can be innate, though I can't describe the process by
> which it takes place or ascertain it as fact.

Can you give me an example of innate knowledge -- that is, knowledge
that is present in an individual prior to birth which is exhibited
soon after birth?  Though I've wrung my brain like a wet mop I can't
think of one.

> As Pat points out that we have such limited knowledge in this area and so are
> confined in mind and thought concerning the ability to understand.  In
> that sense we are not much different from the ancients, in that we
> ascribe a "belief" in order to create a pseudo understanding that
> seems to settle it somehow in our minds.

It's true that we are very confined in mind and thought regarding our
ability to understand.  However I think we have  gained some ground
over the 'ancients' in that regard and perhaps at some future
iteration may even achieve a heretofore unbelievable understanding and
awareness of the universe and ourselves.

> When I sit out by the fire
> pit I realize that we have not moved much from our primordial
> beginnings and that the flames I am watching are exactly the same as
> the ancients watched.  If there is anytime that I get close to life
> regression it is when I'm sitting before a fire, for me, a connection
> to the past.  Of course the peyote helps, lol.

How true and appropriate that you use the symbolism of the fire pit to
encompass our still vastly primitive state.  Were we to compare our
growth and development as a species to that of an individual, I'd have
to venture a guess that we are perhaps still prepubescent.  It is not
for kicks that peyote and other such mind altering drugs has been used
for eons in practices designed to grant awareness, understanding and
knowledge.  I attribute much of my own growth -- if indeed I have
actually grown -- to the use of mind altering drugs.

> If ever I get out that way I'll be sure to look you up. We have a
> daughters in Placerville and Camino, CA and might take a long drive
> someday, but I'll be in NY in August so I'm really not sure. It's all
> about economics as you very well know.

August in NY -- what an unpleasant thought.  It would have to be worse
than August in the Southwest since there is the added components of
humidity and massive masses of humanity.  Out here we just have desert
rats and dry heat.

> Now, should you hit the big
> powerball and send some greenbacks, not talking about the money I
> could save with Geico, then I'll easily be able to make the trek. We
> will need a nice RV so don't get stingy.

Well, I just finished another run of Powerball without even coming
close, so I'll be taking a break from that for a while to recoup my
sense of luck.  But if I ever do, how about one of those huge busses
with pull-outs and tv cameras for backing up?

> Do they still have Basha's there or where do you market?

Yeah, Basha's is still around, but up here in the Kingman area it's
going downhill fast.  Not the quality goods that I recall from the
Basha's of old.

> Two inch thick Porterhouse Steaks, mmm.

I'll go for a nice thick slab of bloody prime rib with a side of filet
mignon topped with sautéed magic mushrooms, a baked potato with sour
cream and butter, and a nice bottle of 1973 Beaulieu cabernet
sauvignon.  That way I'll be able to float happily to the other side
because that meal will certainly do me in.  But what a great way to
go.

/e

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