IF one in fact wishes to have a fuller understanding of Obama' early years and work, it is well documented. Otherwise, well......
On Mar 28, 5:20 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > Don, > When you typo, Copy your post then go to More options, remove your > post, then re-reply, paste, fix the error and re-send. > > You bring out some interesting views and I would have to agree there > has to be some changes made in how government treats discrimination. > I guess affirmative action was a way of answering the cry "we don't > have any opportunities". I've seen many times what you are referring > to as less qualified people are promoted or offered positions based on > race or gender. I find it appalling that they don't see any problem > in the "reverse discrimination" in taking that action. In a sense > they are condoning discrimination but somehow it doesn't appear that > way. If a person of color is refused a position based on their color, > then it is discrimination but if a white person is refused a position > based on their color it is affirmative action. It is hard to pinpoint > the problems concerning cultural stagnation, it's like generational > welfare, a vicious cycle of going nowhere. We live in a technological > world of exposure and access, so it is not like people are trapped > without knowledge of the outside world, yet some cities seem like > another planet altogether. > > > > > On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 1:11 AM, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 11:37 PM, ornamentalmind > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> It is my understanding that the 'slums of Chicago' are much better due > > >> to such community involvement. > > > > Maybe. Not sure about that since I don't live there. Evidence from > > > crime and unemployment stats can be misleading, I know, but they seem > > > to hint at continued problems. I understand there's been some > > > improvement in the schools but I think this has less to do with > > > 'community involvement' and more to do with changes in the public > > > school system focusing on accountability and responsibility. If Obama > > > was a part of this I applaud his efforts and success. However, from > > > what I remember hearing about his work, it had more to do with > > > Affirmative Action policies and enriching the Trinity United Church Of > > > Christ and his buddy Bill Ayers with some rich dead dude's endowment > > > money. > > > > If they found a way to make parents care about their kids I'd love to > > > hear about it. That's the root cause of most of our social and > > > education problems and no one has come up with an answer to that one. > > > Orn, we're on opposite sides of the political spectrum so I know we'll > > > disagree on just about everything. If I thought I had the answers I'd > > > post them here. I think it might be a good start at ending > > > discrimination if we removed deliberate discrimination from our laws. > > > Believe it or not, I do believe in fairness. I work for the state of > > > Texas. I have seen time and time again good employees being passed > > > over for promotion or raises in order to advance a 'person of color' > > > or a woman. Some are patient and get a promotion later and some get > > > mad and find a job in the private sector where merit is considered > > > over color and gender. We lose a good employee for no good reason. > > > It's a damn shame really. > > > > Yes, in case you didn't guess, I'm a person of parlor. And male. In > > > my city of Houston I am a minority. Maybe I should form a club and > > > lobby for city benefits. Nah. > > > > dj > > > >> On Mar 27, 8:50 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>> I am color blind but I'm not culture blind. I'd like to say it's just > > >>> a class issue and the problem is poverty rather then race or > > >>> 'immigrant' related. The evidence, as you suggest Slip, is contrary > > >>> to this theory however. At some point America stopped trying to > > >>> assimilate and instead embraced 'diversity.' I believe black leaders > > >>> like Al Sharpton, Jesse 'cut his balls off' Jackson and Quan L X hurt > > >>> their race much more then they help. They stoke the flames of racial > > >>> hatred and resentment rather then focus on root causes and come up > > >>> with viable solutions. I see a similar thing occurring now with > > >>> politicians and some media whores stoking resentment between 'Wall > > >>> Street' and 'Main Street.' Granted, not the same, but there are > > >>> parallels. > > > >>> All the time wasted vilifying 'the Man' and trying to keep criminals > > >>> out of jail and crying discrimination could be spent mentoring > > >>> children and giving them self confidence, self awareness and help them > > >>> develop a sense of personal responsibility. It's the soft bigotry of > > >>> low expectations that destroys these kids and keeps many dependent for > > >>> the rest of their lives. People are being raised to think of > > >>> themselves as victims. It should be no surprise that many of these > > >>> kids grow up to be malcontents and scofflaws. They are being used. > > >>> Obama built his career as a 'community organizer' in the slums of > > >>> Chicago. You only need to look at those neighborhoods today to see > > >>> how effective he has been. That is to say; not at all. Perhaps it is > > >>> time to realize what he has been doing doesn't work and try something > > >>> new. It's time for change. End the racism that is Affirmative > > >>> Action. > > > >>> Yes, We Can! > > > >>> dj > > > >>> On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 6:41 PM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>> > That is quite a long time ago and I'm sure as memory would have it, > > >>> > the Oakland area was something to behold and I must say that I have > > >>> > seen many a "Kewl" town go to waste as the rift raft moved in. I > > >>> > rarely go to areas of my early youth in NY when I go visit family and > > >>> > friends, but I remember last time I did it was a far cry from what I > > >>> > remembered when living there. The area has become so deplorable that > > >>> > I oft wonder how people find it viable for habitation. I guess in a > > >>> > sense it is all relative as many are foreigners that come from dirt > > >>> > floor dwellings without running water and so perceive the lifestyle as > > >>> > heaven on earth. It is hard not to sound racist but commentary is > > >>> > securely founded upon observation and you can make your own > > >>> > determination. > > >>> > But for Oakland and the Oakland black community I find it an absurdity > > >>> > and a insult to the National Black Community who have struggled > > >>> > through adversity and have not only prospered but have given, in many > > >>> > forms, a great deal to our society and nation. > > >>> > The problem here is that even if there is a problem with the Oakland > > >>> > police department, these people are using the wrong platform on which > > >>> > to air their grievances. SO because the community feels oppressed by > > >>> > the police department, this career criminal gets lauded as a hero? > > >>> > I understand that police in general can at times overreact but the > > >>> > fact is that thousands of police are physically assaulted every year > > >>> > by suspects and in routine stops which result in an overly adamant > > >>> > citizen going berserk. > > > >>> > I just find this kind of news very saddening because I am always > > >>> > hoping that we are moving along in the progression of peaceful > > >>> > coexistence. We are humans capable of getting along with what may > > >>> > appear as oppositional. You can't put a lion in with a lamb and > > >>> > expect that they can somehow work it out. These people are obviously > > >>> > under some kind of duress but as I said earlier, how much time are > > >>> > they expending to create an environment that is conducive to peaceful > > >>> > living? > > > >>> > Are we going to make it? > > > >>> > On Mar 27, 2:02 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>> >> Wow.. I left the Oakland, - Alameda area in 1974, I wonder if it > > >>> >> has even > > >>> >> changed,, that is unreal.. In its own right it was a kewl town.. > > >>> >> but it > > >>> >> seems at first glance,, but I do know that there had been massive > > >>> >> rebuilding in the down town area.. Strange even for me. > > > >>> >> Allan > > > >>> >> On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>> >> > This video I watched earlier brought about an awareness that people > > >>> >> > are still wallowing in a lifestyle that to me seems decades old. I > > >>> >> > asked myself, Could it Be? But nonetheless the reality shows how > > >>> >> > people, who are living in a microcosm, can remain so stagnated in a > > >>> >> > swirling eddy of nowhereness while the world around them flowers. > > >>> >> > It's like discovering a lost tribe in some remote jungle. > > >>> >> > ----deleted-- > > >>> >> > The person claims racist terrorism by the police but does not > > >>> >> > reflect > > >>> >> > on any level of lawlessness among the citizens of Oakland. Mixon > > >>> >> > was > > >>> >> > a criminal in violation of parole, carrying a gun, still accused of > > >>> >> > raping a minor. What is wrong with these people? Could it be that > > >>> >> > there is still this decades old racist attitude towards black > > >>> >> > people > > >>> >> > in Oakland, because I have never seen anything like it anywhere > > >>> >> > else > > >>> >> > I've been. > > > >>> >> > Maybe I'm wrong, what's your opinion? > > > >>> >> -- > > >>> >> ( > > >>> >> ) > > >>> >> I_D Allan- Hide quoted text - > > > >>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
