I study the interesting parts. Like his involvement with Rezko and Ayers and the rest of the polluted Chicago political scene. The Daley family prominent among them. Truth is, I didn't like McCain any better. It's like the South Park episode choice between a douche bag and a turd sandwich for school mascot. I don't know if McCain threw the election on purpose or if he's just really that dense on what the people want from a president. And a VP.
I read a lot. I didn't post any links supporting my views because the only ones I could find were right wing political blogs I figured would be discounted and disbelieved by you much the same way as anything you might post from the Daily Kos or Huntington Post I would consider propaganda. You are correct that there's documentation on Obama's work. There are articles in favor and articles not in favor. You will believe the former and I will believe the latter. I've been on this carousel with a friend who ended up blocking any email I sent him from the Wall Street Journal because he just couldn't stand to read it. The truth hurts sometimes. dj On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 12:28 AM, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > IF one in fact wishes to have a fuller understanding of Obama' early > years and work, it is well documented. Otherwise, well...... > > On Mar 28, 5:20 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: >> Don, >> When you typo, Copy your post then go to More options, remove your >> post, then re-reply, paste, fix the error and re-send. >> >> You bring out some interesting views and I would have to agree there >> has to be some changes made in how government treats discrimination. >> I guess affirmative action was a way of answering the cry "we don't >> have any opportunities". I've seen many times what you are referring >> to as less qualified people are promoted or offered positions based on >> race or gender. I find it appalling that they don't see any problem >> in the "reverse discrimination" in taking that action. In a sense >> they are condoning discrimination but somehow it doesn't appear that >> way. If a person of color is refused a position based on their color, >> then it is discrimination but if a white person is refused a position >> based on their color it is affirmative action. It is hard to pinpoint >> the problems concerning cultural stagnation, it's like generational >> welfare, a vicious cycle of going nowhere. We live in a technological >> world of exposure and access, so it is not like people are trapped >> without knowledge of the outside world, yet some cities seem like >> another planet altogether. >> >> >> >> > On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 1:11 AM, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 11:37 PM, ornamentalmind >> > > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > >> It is my understanding that the 'slums of Chicago' are much better due >> > >> to such community involvement. >> >> > > Maybe. Not sure about that since I don't live there. Evidence from >> > > crime and unemployment stats can be misleading, I know, but they seem >> > > to hint at continued problems. I understand there's been some >> > > improvement in the schools but I think this has less to do with >> > > 'community involvement' and more to do with changes in the public >> > > school system focusing on accountability and responsibility. If Obama >> > > was a part of this I applaud his efforts and success. However, from >> > > what I remember hearing about his work, it had more to do with >> > > Affirmative Action policies and enriching the Trinity United Church Of >> > > Christ and his buddy Bill Ayers with some rich dead dude's endowment >> > > money. >> >> > > If they found a way to make parents care about their kids I'd love to >> > > hear about it. That's the root cause of most of our social and >> > > education problems and no one has come up with an answer to that one. >> > > Orn, we're on opposite sides of the political spectrum so I know we'll >> > > disagree on just about everything. If I thought I had the answers I'd >> > > post them here. I think it might be a good start at ending >> > > discrimination if we removed deliberate discrimination from our laws. >> > > Believe it or not, I do believe in fairness. I work for the state of >> > > Texas. I have seen time and time again good employees being passed >> > > over for promotion or raises in order to advance a 'person of color' >> > > or a woman. Some are patient and get a promotion later and some get >> > > mad and find a job in the private sector where merit is considered >> > > over color and gender. We lose a good employee for no good reason. >> > > It's a damn shame really. >> >> > > Yes, in case you didn't guess, I'm a person of parlor. And male. In >> > > my city of Houston I am a minority. Maybe I should form a club and >> > > lobby for city benefits. Nah. >> >> > > dj >> >> > >> On Mar 27, 8:50 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >>> I am color blind but I'm not culture blind. I'd like to say it's just >> > >>> a class issue and the problem is poverty rather then race or >> > >>> 'immigrant' related. The evidence, as you suggest Slip, is contrary >> > >>> to this theory however. At some point America stopped trying to >> > >>> assimilate and instead embraced 'diversity.' I believe black leaders >> > >>> like Al Sharpton, Jesse 'cut his balls off' Jackson and Quan L X hurt >> > >>> their race much more then they help. They stoke the flames of racial >> > >>> hatred and resentment rather then focus on root causes and come up >> > >>> with viable solutions. I see a similar thing occurring now with >> > >>> politicians and some media whores stoking resentment between 'Wall >> > >>> Street' and 'Main Street.' Granted, not the same, but there are >> > >>> parallels. >> >> > >>> All the time wasted vilifying 'the Man' and trying to keep criminals >> > >>> out of jail and crying discrimination could be spent mentoring >> > >>> children and giving them self confidence, self awareness and help them >> > >>> develop a sense of personal responsibility. It's the soft bigotry of >> > >>> low expectations that destroys these kids and keeps many dependent for >> > >>> the rest of their lives. People are being raised to think of >> > >>> themselves as victims. It should be no surprise that many of these >> > >>> kids grow up to be malcontents and scofflaws. They are being used. >> > >>> Obama built his career as a 'community organizer' in the slums of >> > >>> Chicago. You only need to look at those neighborhoods today to see >> > >>> how effective he has been. That is to say; not at all. Perhaps it is >> > >>> time to realize what he has been doing doesn't work and try something >> > >>> new. It's time for change. End the racism that is Affirmative >> > >>> Action. >> >> > >>> Yes, We Can! >> >> > >>> dj >> >> > >>> On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 6:41 PM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > >>> > That is quite a long time ago and I'm sure as memory would have it, >> > >>> > the Oakland area was something to behold and I must say that I have >> > >>> > seen many a "Kewl" town go to waste as the rift raft moved in. I >> > >>> > rarely go to areas of my early youth in NY when I go visit family and >> > >>> > friends, but I remember last time I did it was a far cry from what I >> > >>> > remembered when living there. The area has become so deplorable that >> > >>> > I oft wonder how people find it viable for habitation. I guess in a >> > >>> > sense it is all relative as many are foreigners that come from dirt >> > >>> > floor dwellings without running water and so perceive the lifestyle >> > >>> > as >> > >>> > heaven on earth. It is hard not to sound racist but commentary is >> > >>> > securely founded upon observation and you can make your own >> > >>> > determination. >> > >>> > But for Oakland and the Oakland black community I find it an >> > >>> > absurdity >> > >>> > and a insult to the National Black Community who have struggled >> > >>> > through adversity and have not only prospered but have given, in many >> > >>> > forms, a great deal to our society and nation. >> > >>> > The problem here is that even if there is a problem with the Oakland >> > >>> > police department, these people are using the wrong platform on which >> > >>> > to air their grievances. SO because the community feels oppressed by >> > >>> > the police department, this career criminal gets lauded as a hero? >> > >>> > I understand that police in general can at times overreact but the >> > >>> > fact is that thousands of police are physically assaulted every year >> > >>> > by suspects and in routine stops which result in an overly adamant >> > >>> > citizen going berserk. >> >> > >>> > I just find this kind of news very saddening because I am always >> > >>> > hoping that we are moving along in the progression of peaceful >> > >>> > coexistence. We are humans capable of getting along with what may >> > >>> > appear as oppositional. You can't put a lion in with a lamb and >> > >>> > expect that they can somehow work it out. These people are obviously >> > >>> > under some kind of duress but as I said earlier, how much time are >> > >>> > they expending to create an environment that is conducive to peaceful >> > >>> > living? >> >> > >>> > Are we going to make it? >> >> > >>> > On Mar 27, 2:02 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >>> >> Wow.. I left the Oakland, - Alameda area in 1974, I wonder if it >> > >>> >> has even >> > >>> >> changed,, that is unreal.. In its own right it was a kewl town.. >> > >>> >> but it >> > >>> >> seems at first glance,, but I do know that there had been massive >> > >>> >> rebuilding in the down town area.. Strange even for me. >> >> > >>> >> Allan >> >> > >>> >> On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > >>> >> > This video I watched earlier brought about an awareness that >> > >>> >> > people >> > >>> >> > are still wallowing in a lifestyle that to me seems decades old. >> > >>> >> > I >> > >>> >> > asked myself, Could it Be? But nonetheless the reality shows how >> > >>> >> > people, who are living in a microcosm, can remain so stagnated in >> > >>> >> > a >> > >>> >> > swirling eddy of nowhereness while the world around them flowers. >> > >>> >> > It's like discovering a lost tribe in some remote jungle. >> > >>> >> > ----deleted-- >> > >>> >> > The person claims racist terrorism by the police but does not >> > >>> >> > reflect >> > >>> >> > on any level of lawlessness among the citizens of Oakland. Mixon >> > >>> >> > was >> > >>> >> > a criminal in violation of parole, carrying a gun, still accused >> > >>> >> > of >> > >>> >> > raping a minor. What is wrong with these people? Could it be >> > >>> >> > that >> > >>> >> > there is still this decades old racist attitude towards black >> > >>> >> > people >> > >>> >> > in Oakland, because I have never seen anything like it anywhere >> > >>> >> > else >> > >>> >> > I've been. >> >> > >>> >> > Maybe I'm wrong, what's your opinion? >> >> > >>> >> -- >> > >>> >> ( >> > >>> >> ) >> > >>> >> I_D Allan- Hide quoted text - >> >> > >>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
