On this one I go with Molly. The topic of the thread is the problem...in no way a useful tool for 'solution(s)'. Not only is it couched in inacurate dialectics, its very nature is to limit the issue to a view that has always had an obvious result.
On Apr 18, 6:31 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > Not far from my view Slip. I more or less believe in structured > realism - how we get at the structures without internal analysis is > beyond me - 3 cheers for you and Orn on this one. The loitering > likelihood of slaps in the face with wet cod remain, however. I can't > see how we can progress without the articulation of fable and dialogue > on them (pace Molly). If we don't give space to dreaming up answers > and how things might be we won't get any answers we can test in > practice. > > On 18 Apr, 07:22, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > The calm oean does not happen often but you are right it is awesome > > Allan > > > On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 4:34 AM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Bravo, that is exactly what the world needs more of, positive > > > energy. It is a rare sight to see the ocean still and smooth as > > > glass. I had a similar experience nearly 20 years ago, about day > > > break, on the south shore of eastern long island off the Atlantic. > > > Early one winter morning as I walked out of a beach front cottage > > > awestruck to see the ocean so calm without a ripple, without a sound, > > > I had the strangest feeling. Though it was real it seemed like a > > > dream. > > > > On Apr 17, 12:24 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Slip, years ago i was sailing far off shore and i was becalmed and I > > > > had > > > > never seen the ocean so smooth and my hand just hung in the ocean, I > > > shifted > > > > my position and I watched a single drop fall on the smooth surface, I > > > > watched the concentric rings flow to the horizon. I came to the > > > realization > > > > that even the tiniest of drops has a impressive effect on the entirety > > > > of > > > > the universe. > > > > > To this day I try to make every thing I do work to a positive effect. > > > There > > > > are far to many negative vibrations and I don't want to add to them. > > > after > > > > all I only have this moment and that is it.. > > > > > Allan > > > > > On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > All well and good Molly, but I'd rather keep the external estranged > > > > > until it finds itself in a more harmonious condition within itself. I > > > > > don't think many beings entangled in the external are experiencing > > > > > true harmony within it. Is it Dante's Inferno or The Garden of > > > > > Earthly Delights? > > > > > I contribute and donate portions of my internal to the external but > > > > > keep it at a safe distance, one that allows some degree of self choice > > > > > in matters, resulting in positive results internally. I can let the > > > > > world spin but I don't have to let it in. The external core is > > > > > gravitational, magnetic, and alluring. Once one intermingles or > > > > > becomes entangled within it there is slim chance to none of > > > > > extricating oneself from it. This is exhibited by those who reach the > > > > > high towers within the external but spiral down in flames regardless > > > > > of wealth or fame. Phil Specter is our newest example but perhaps not > > > > > as damaging as Madoff. The names are many but the end is the same, > > > > > just ask Ghandi. Some may think it a personal responsibility to > > > > > engage the external but I remain firm in my distancing from it, not to > > > > > be interpreted as reclusive but simply aware that it is like a living > > > > > organism that consumes souls and spirits with the most insidious form > > > > > of deception. Those that are seduced eventually wonder what happened > > > > > and how. Torn from the whirlwind of guile that lured them in the > > > > > first place leaves them agape with dismay, as is happening right now > > > > > with the global meltdown. In some ways we are forced to take hand in > > > > > what occurs externally by imposed laws and societal mores, each with > > > > > it's own brand of snares. It is simply the rule to conduct oneself > > > > > accordingly in order to remain outside of that realm. This is not a > > > > > rant of pessimism but a reality check based on acute awareness of the > > > > > external world throughout history. You see I've been there many times > > > > > and have accumulated soul knowledge, regardless of what others think > > > > > or believe concerning the existence of such. I think you know, > > > > > Molly. > > > > > > On Apr 17, 8:18 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > There is a greater harmony that comes with the realization that > > > > > > everything external is also internal, all is realized through the > > > same > > > > > > cause, all connected and becoming together. This is a non dual > > > > > > perspective. We always intermingle with the core of the external > > > > > > because we are that core, our core is that core. Your inner harmony > > > > > > now allows the detached viewpoint of the witness on the path to > > > > > > infinite harmony. Hombre Milagro rides again. > > > > > > > On Apr 16, 2:00 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > My identity is a peaceful emotion. I definitely have found a > > > harmony > > > > > > > within, one discovered many years ago and one that I realized I > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > born with. It is the harmony that allows for my contentment and > > > gives > > > > > > > me the peace that I am able to relay to others. I'm not sure why > > > you > > > > > > > perceive a feeling of a wrong rub as a resistance to harmony. You > > > > > > > should remember previous posts in previous threads in which I had > > > > > > > expressed the ability to attract and acquire things simply by > > > focusing > > > > > > > and then "letting it be". This demonstrates the harmonious > > > > > > > quality > > > > > > > within me and without me, one that is a conjoining of self and > > > > > > > infinity. All is there and all there is possible. The discord > > > > > > > between self and earth is external in origin and stems from my > > > > > > > distaste for humanity's use of its resource and bounty. It is an > > > > > > > abomination that is an unnerving of my soul and spirit and > > > incongruous > > > > > > > with my dreams. Conversely, my inner harmony affords me balance > > > and > > > > > > > removes fear, knowing that I can't be harmed by the external, > > > unless I > > > > > > > allow myself to intermingle within its core. This is where the > > > > > > > door > > > > > > > closes and the window opens, out of which I can "view" the > > > external. > > > > > > > I can open the door at anytime, which I do many a time but proceed > > > > > > > with a casual confidence that also exudes from my being. Harmony > > > > > > > gives me confidence and ability, to do anything I set out to do, > > > that > > > > > > > is why some call me Hombre Milagro. > > > > > > > But don't worry, I know that I'm still just a mortal human. {;-] > > > > > > > > On Apr 16, 8:24 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > world with a resolve > > > > > > > > > > that supports my most inner feeling of alienation and a sense > > > of > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > belonging here in a world that has become forlorn of truth. > > > > > Sometimes > > > > > > > > > I think my purpose is simply voyeurism of earthly activity and > > > > > > > > > conduct, the why of which is unknown. > > > > > > > > > Looking for truth outside yourself is an exercise in ego. Look, > > > > > > > > instead, inside because I think that you have found a harmony > > > there. > > > > > > > > When you see something in the world that rubs against you in an > > > > > > > > aggravating way, it is your own resistance to harmony, usually > > > based > > > > > > > > in ego. There are parts of us that take our identity in negative > > > > > > > > emotion and "not me" This happens again and again until we learn > > > to > > > > > > > > transcend all that and reside in our harmony. It doesn't mean > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > ignore it or deny it. As the Beatles would say, we just let it > > > be. > > > > > > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67J_66hdN-I > > > > > > > > > On Apr 16, 8:09 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Thanks fran for the link, it was to the point. What ever is > > > truth > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > reality, we can imagine anything. > > > > > > > > > > I certainly don't feel sorry for Specter, a man who had it > > > > > > > > > all, > > > a > > > > > > > > > brilliant career, gobs of money and a future. Now the dream > > > has > > > > > come > > > > > > > > > to an end. I don't think he'll have a good time in prison. > > > The > > > > > > > > > unimaginable part is how someone who seems to have it all > > > > > > > > > winds > > > up > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > this quagmire, an inescapable bad dream. Money does something > > > to > > > > > > > > > people. This is possibly fodder for a good thread on the > > > > > > > > > inner > > > > > > > > > workings of the contaminated mind, the insecurity of wealth, > > > human > > > > > > > > > facades and the deceptions of success. > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 15, 10:11 am, frantheman <[email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On 15 Apr., 16:28, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On a global scale I doubt that effecting change is > > > > > > > > > > > anything > > > > > less than > > > > > > > > > > > a magnanimous task in light of the ongoing quest for > > > > > materialistic > > > > > > > > > > > wealth fueled by greed and attained by corruption. I oft > > > sit > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > ponder about having no government, no country or world > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > a > > > > > resolve > > > > > > > > > > > that supports my most inner feeling of alienation and a > > > sense > > > > > of not > > > > > > > > > > > belonging here in a world that has become forlorn of > > > > > > > > > > > truth. > > > > > Sometimes > > > > > > > > > > > I think my purpose is simply voyeurism of earthly activity > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > conduct, the why of which is unknown. If I could leave > > > > > tomorrow, not > > > > > > > > > > > through death, I'd be gone. I make the best of it and so > > > > > better it is > > > > > > > > > > > for me but I would still rather be elsewhere with some > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > special > > > > > > > > > > > people who share purpose, together in Utopia, perhaps in > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > parallel. Will you join me? > > > > > > > > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okd3hLlvvLw > > > > > > > > > > > The link seems appropriate ;-) (As an interesting bit of > > > trivia, > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > producer, Phil Spector, was convicted of murder yesterday!) > > > > > > > > > > > Francis > > > > > -- > > > > ( > > > > ) > > > > I_D Allan > > > -- > > ( > > ) > > I_D Allan- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
