Arch, are you acting like a carrot again?
On Apr 18, 8:48 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
> Orn is right here - we don't need limiting on thinking and acting
> about human relations, whether to self, others or a wider context in
> which we might find something better.
>
> On 18 Apr, 16:20, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Puh, I'm glad you're leaving me this one. Points are never tools that
> > produce the desired solution. It is the "or" that opens up the
> > fixation and adds (*) to the dotted line. But if it makes you feel
> > better, cross the present perfect tense out of your grammatical
> > vocabulary. ;-)
>
> > On 18 Apr., 16:05, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > On this one I go with Molly. The topic of the thread is the
> > > problem...in no way a useful tool for 'solution(s)'.
> > > Not only is it couched in inacurate dialectics, its very nature is to
> > > limit the issue to a view that has always had an obvious result.
>
> > > On Apr 18, 6:31 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > Not far from my view Slip. I more or less believe in structured
> > > > realism - how we get at the structures without internal analysis is
> > > > beyond me - 3 cheers for you and Orn on this one. The loitering
> > > > likelihood of slaps in the face with wet cod remain, however. I can't
> > > > see how we can progress without the articulation of fable and dialogue
> > > > on them (pace Molly). If we don't give space to dreaming up answers
> > > > and how things might be we won't get any answers we can test in
> > > > practice.
>
> > > > On 18 Apr, 07:22, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > The calm oean does not happen often but you are right it is awesome
> > > > > Allan
>
> > > > > On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 4:34 AM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Bravo, that is exactly what the world needs more of, positive
> > > > > > energy. It is a rare sight to see the ocean still and smooth as
> > > > > > glass. I had a similar experience nearly 20 years ago, about day
> > > > > > break, on the south shore of eastern long island off the Atlantic.
> > > > > > Early one winter morning as I walked out of a beach front cottage
> > > > > > awestruck to see the ocean so calm without a ripple, without a
> > > > > > sound,
> > > > > > I had the strangest feeling. Though it was real it seemed like a
> > > > > > dream.
>
> > > > > > On Apr 17, 12:24 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > Slip, years ago i was sailing far off shore and i was becalmed
> > > > > > > and I had
> > > > > > > never seen the ocean so smooth and my hand just hung in the
> > > > > > > ocean, I
> > > > > > shifted
> > > > > > > my position and I watched a single drop fall on the smooth
> > > > > > > surface, I
> > > > > > > watched the concentric rings flow to the horizon. I came to the
> > > > > > realization
> > > > > > > that even the tiniest of drops has a impressive effect on the
> > > > > > > entirety of
> > > > > > > the universe.
>
> > > > > > > To this day I try to make every thing I do work to a positive
> > > > > > > effect.
> > > > > > There
> > > > > > > are far to many negative vibrations and I don't want to add to
> > > > > > > them.
> > > > > > after
> > > > > > > all I only have this moment and that is it..
>
> > > > > > > Allan
>
> > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Slip Disc <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > All well and good Molly, but I'd rather keep the external
> > > > > > > > estranged
> > > > > > > > until it finds itself in a more harmonious condition within
> > > > > > > > itself. I
> > > > > > > > don't think many beings entangled in the external are
> > > > > > > > experiencing
> > > > > > > > true harmony within it. Is it Dante's Inferno or The Garden of
> > > > > > > > Earthly Delights?
> > > > > > > > I contribute and donate portions of my internal to the external
> > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > keep it at a safe distance, one that allows some degree of self
> > > > > > > > choice
> > > > > > > > in matters, resulting in positive results internally. I can
> > > > > > > > let the
> > > > > > > > world spin but I don't have to let it in. The external core is
> > > > > > > > gravitational, magnetic, and alluring. Once one intermingles or
> > > > > > > > becomes entangled within it there is slim chance to none of
> > > > > > > > extricating oneself from it. This is exhibited by those who
> > > > > > > > reach the
> > > > > > > > high towers within the external but spiral down in flames
> > > > > > > > regardless
> > > > > > > > of wealth or fame. Phil Specter is our newest example but
> > > > > > > > perhaps not
> > > > > > > > as damaging as Madoff. The names are many but the end is the
> > > > > > > > same,
> > > > > > > > just ask Ghandi. Some may think it a personal responsibility to
> > > > > > > > engage the external but I remain firm in my distancing from it,
> > > > > > > > not to
> > > > > > > > be interpreted as reclusive but simply aware that it is like a
> > > > > > > > living
> > > > > > > > organism that consumes souls and spirits with the most
> > > > > > > > insidious form
> > > > > > > > of deception. Those that are seduced eventually wonder what
> > > > > > > > happened
> > > > > > > > and how. Torn from the whirlwind of guile that lured them in
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > first place leaves them agape with dismay, as is happening
> > > > > > > > right now
> > > > > > > > with the global meltdown. In some ways we are forced to take
> > > > > > > > hand in
> > > > > > > > what occurs externally by imposed laws and societal mores, each
> > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > it's own brand of snares. It is simply the rule to conduct
> > > > > > > > oneself
> > > > > > > > accordingly in order to remain outside of that realm. This is
> > > > > > > > not a
> > > > > > > > rant of pessimism but a reality check based on acute awareness
> > > > > > > > of the
> > > > > > > > external world throughout history. You see I've been there
> > > > > > > > many times
> > > > > > > > and have accumulated soul knowledge, regardless of what others
> > > > > > > > think
> > > > > > > > or believe concerning the existence of such. I think you know,
> > > > > > > > Molly.
>
> > > > > > > > On Apr 17, 8:18 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > There is a greater harmony that comes with the realization
> > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > everything external is also internal, all is realized through
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > same
> > > > > > > > > cause, all connected and becoming together. This is a non
> > > > > > > > > dual
> > > > > > > > > perspective. We always intermingle with the core of the
> > > > > > > > > external
> > > > > > > > > because we are that core, our core is that core. Your inner
> > > > > > > > > harmony
> > > > > > > > > now allows the detached viewpoint of the witness on the path
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > infinite harmony. Hombre Milagro rides again.
>
> > > > > > > > > On Apr 16, 2:00 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > My identity is a peaceful emotion. I definitely have found
> > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > harmony
> > > > > > > > > > within, one discovered many years ago and one that I
> > > > > > > > > > realized I was
> > > > > > > > > > born with. It is the harmony that allows for my
> > > > > > > > > > contentment and
> > > > > > gives
> > > > > > > > > > me the peace that I am able to relay to others. I'm not
> > > > > > > > > > sure why
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > perceive a feeling of a wrong rub as a resistance to
> > > > > > > > > > harmony. You
> > > > > > > > > > should remember previous posts in previous threads in which
> > > > > > > > > > I had
> > > > > > > > > > expressed the ability to attract and acquire things simply
> > > > > > > > > > by
> > > > > > focusing
> > > > > > > > > > and then "letting it be". This demonstrates the harmonious
> > > > > > > > > > quality
> > > > > > > > > > within me and without me, one that is a conjoining of self
> > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > infinity. All is there and all there is possible. The
> > > > > > > > > > discord
> > > > > > > > > > between self and earth is external in origin and stems from
> > > > > > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > > > distaste for humanity's use of its resource and bounty. It
> > > > > > > > > > is an
> > > > > > > > > > abomination that is an unnerving of my soul and spirit and
> > > > > > incongruous
> > > > > > > > > > with my dreams. Conversely, my inner harmony affords me
> > > > > > > > > > balance
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > removes fear, knowing that I can't be harmed by the
> > > > > > > > > > external,
> > > > > > unless I
> > > > > > > > > > allow myself to intermingle within its core. This is where
> > > > > > > > > > the door
> > > > > > > > > > closes and the window opens, out of which I can "view" the
> > > > > > external.
> > > > > > > > > > I can open the door at anytime, which I do many a time but
> > > > > > > > > > proceed
> > > > > > > > > > with a casual confidence that also exudes from my being.
> > > > > > > > > > Harmony
> > > > > > > > > > gives me confidence and ability, to do anything I set out
> > > > > > > > > > to do,
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > is why some call me Hombre Milagro.
> > > > > > > > > > But don't worry, I know that I'm still just a mortal human.
> > > > > > > > > > {;-]
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Apr 16, 8:24 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > world with a resolve
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > that supports my most inner feeling of alienation and a
> > > > > > > > > > > > sense
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > belonging here in a world that has become forlorn of
> > > > > > > > > > > > truth.
> > > > > > > > Sometimes
> > > > > > > > > > > > I think my purpose is simply voyeurism of earthly
> > > > > > > > > > > > activity and
> > > > > > > > > > > > conduct, the why of which is unknown.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Looking for truth outside yourself is an exercise in ego.
> > > > > > > > > > > Look,
> > > > > > > > > > > instead, inside because I think that you have found a
> > > > > > > > > > > harmony
> > > > > > there.
> > > > > > > > > > > When you see something in the world that rubs against you
> > > > > > > > > > > in an
> > > > > > > > > > > aggravating way, it is your own resistance to harmony,
> > > > > > > > > > > usually
> > > > > > based
> > > > > > > > > > > in ego. There are parts of us that take our identity in
> > > > > > > > > > > negative
> > > > > > > > > > > emotion and "not me" This happens again and again until
> > > > > > > > > > > we learn
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > transcend all that and reside in our harmony. It doesn't
> > > > > > > > > > > mean we
> > > > > > > > > > > ignore it or deny it. As the Beatles would say, we just
> > > > > > > > > > > let it
> > > > > > be.
>
> > > > > > > > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67J_66hdN-I
>
> > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 16, 8:09 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks fran for the link, it was to the point. What
> > > > > > > > > > > > ever is
> > > > > > truth
> > > > > > > > or
>
> ...
>
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