Free will alters or takes away from the natural order. <<Tink So we're essentially separate from the animal kingdom in our ability to create and accessorize because of free will. So your saying that free will and collective intelligence is that of yin and yang, two disjunct forces that interact within the whole of the subset and, as stated earlier, we manipulate the yin yang through focus with the collective intelligence. I'm not sure that I agree wholly with it but it seems to have some substance worth looking at. The thread topic implies individual prayer petition as well, A pray for B or A pray for A etc. In this sense there is no collaboration, no consensus in the manipulation process, unless of course several engage in the petition, which essentially becomes another think tank. I personally don't see prayer as a viable means to effect change, mostly because it usually takes the form of a request whereas my focus to effect change takes the form of thought. There is another element to consider, that being whether thought is a precognition of a change about to take place or the impetus for that change. Does the mind actually cause events or is it confined to just perceiving impending events? I have experienced both so it is not questionable for me. In ancient times we were known as oracles. It should be noted that differing brain structures may have an affect on a persons ability to perceive the cosmic realm and therefore we can expect everyone to just understand it.
On Apr 21, 4:50 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > It is a brief general statement about a complex and difficult to > quantify force. > I use negative and positive instead of yin and yang in reference to > 'natural order' (another discussion by itself). > Free will alters or takes away from the natural order. Note; that I > think free will is the base of our ability to create and not actually > a negative thing. > The collective intelligence is awareness of or positive to the natural > order, which is separated (made meta-physical, contained in the > subset) by the action of free will altering the perfect balance of > cosmic energy. > I agree that a lack of understanding of cosmic energy is a big part of > our worldly problems. > Rather than "maintenance", I believe we need awareness of and a > 'common' connection to our collective intelligence. > > peace & Love > > On Apr 21, 10:49 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I don't know, it seems like a conglomeration of many aspects with much > > broader meanings. Perhaps as a synopsis it could pass as a viable > > statement. Free will allows us to act either way and so the > > collective intelligence is not confined to either polarity. One can > > effect negative change equally as in voodoo or witchcraft. To posit > > that collective intelligence is a 'positive' metaphysical balance that > > "maintains" anything seems farfetched. Fact is, simple observation > > reveals that if anything there is more unbalance within the subset due > > to the incongruity of individual understanding of cosmic energy > > existing around us. If anything needs maintenance it IS the > > collective intelligence not cosmic balance. > > > On Apr 21, 12:21 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > The sum total of energy involved in mankind's interactions on and with > > > the planet Earth, is the subset. > > > The energy is cosmic energy. > > > > I believe that within the subset free will allows us to act > > > 'negatively'. Our collective intelligence is a 'positive' metaphysical > > > balance that maintains the cosmic balance within the subset. > > > > peace & Love > > > > On Apr 21, 6:26 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > So what exactly is the subset energy as you see it and where is it > > > > derived from? > > > > > I'm thinking you are referring to the energy caused by the mass of > > > > humanity but I still don't see the disconnect from the cosmos. > > > > > On Apr 20, 12:23 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Agreed, that akshay is referring to a personal God. > > > > > > I also agree on the cosmic energy. The subset 'Earth energy' is what I > > > > > believe we do have the ability to affect. > > > > > > On Apr 20, 9:44 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I don't think akshay is referring to a collective intelligence. The > > > > > > general religious consensus relays prayer petition to a deity by the > > > > > > name of choice. I agree that people are lacking the ability to > > > > > > focus > > > > > > properly, perhaps due to their weak belief in their belief or > > > > > > religious affiliation for personal/peer reasons rather than > > > > > > spiritual. Cosmic energy is not contained within any planetary > > > > > > realm, > > > > > > solar system or confined to any specific universe but more so it is > > > > > > infinite in time and space and far beyond our comprehension to > > > > > > understand. > > > > > > > On Apr 19, 10:54 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Apr 20, 5:35 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > IF prayer is somehow connected to the energy in the cosmos that > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > things occur, then by all means one can try to focus in on that > > > > > > > > energy > > > > > > > > in order to bring about desired change. I'm always talking > > > > > > > > about how > > > > > > > > I come upon things by simply focusing on my need or in some > > > > > > > > cases just > > > > > > > > focusing on things just coming along whether I need them or not > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > then they just come around. Whether this is similar to prayer > > > > > > > > petition is another question. > > > > > > > > I think what you are talking about is the same thing as > > > > > > > 'successful' > > > > > > > prayer. We can manipulate the Yin/Yang of our world through > > > > > > > 'focus' > > > > > > > with the collective intelligence. > > > > > > > > This is a bit off the prayer bit but > > > > > > > > > the point is that perhaps there IS another force of energy out > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > that does effect change. The question is "does the energy > > > > > > > > effect > > > > > > > > change as the result of a prayer petition?" > > > > > > > > Yes, but very few people know how to pray (focus) effectively. > > > > > > > > Do we as humans have any > > > > > > > > > influence, directly or indirectly on the incidence of cosmic > > > > > > > > change > > > > > > > > within the universe? Personally I don't view focusing on cosmic > > > > > > > > energy as prayer but a utilization of mental ability to attract > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > effect change. I'm sure there is some defining needed here in > > > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > to continue principle analysis. > > > > > > > > I think the force we have influence with is contained on Earth and > > > > > > > controlled by the collective intelligence. > > > > > > > > peace & Love --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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