I understand it as constructive/destructive rather than positive/ negative. A constructive 'force' or 'destructive' may use both negative and positive subsets. Negative/positive reference may be designated at low level. A constructive/ destructive in on a higher level. It comes as an emergent property from the complexity of all negative/positive interactions.
On Apr 22, 8:57 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > Free will alters or takes away from the natural order. <<Tink > So we're essentially separate from the animal kingdom in our ability > to create and accessorize because of free will. > So your saying that free will and collective intelligence is that of > yin and yang, two disjunct forces that interact within the whole of > the subset and, as stated earlier, we manipulate the yin yang through > focus with the collective intelligence. I'm not sure that I agree > wholly with it but it seems to have some substance worth looking at. > The thread topic implies individual prayer petition as well, A pray > for B or A pray for A etc. In this sense there is no collaboration, > no consensus in the manipulation process, unless of course several > engage in the petition, which essentially becomes another think tank. > I personally don't see prayer as a viable means to effect change, > mostly because it usually takes the form of a request whereas my focus > to effect change takes the form of thought. > There is another element to consider, that being whether thought is a > precognition of a change about to take place or the impetus for that > change. Does the mind actually cause events or is it confined to just > perceiving impending events? I have experienced both so it is not > questionable for me. In ancient times we were known as oracles. It > should be noted that differing brain structures may have an affect on > a persons ability to perceive the cosmic realm and therefore we cannot > expect everyone to just understand it. > > On Apr 21, 4:50 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > It is a brief general statement about a complex and difficult to > > quantify force. > > I use negative and positive instead of yin and yang in reference to > > 'natural order' (another discussion by itself). > > Free will alters or takes away from the natural order. Note; that I > > think free will is the base of our ability to create and not actually > > a negative thing. > > The collective intelligence is awareness of or positive to the natural > > order, which is separated (made meta-physical, contained in the > > subset) by the action of free will altering the perfect balance of > > cosmic energy. > > I agree that a lack of understanding of cosmic energy is a big part of > > our worldly problems. > > Rather than "maintenance", I believe we need awareness of and a > > 'common' connection to our collective intelligence. > > > peace & Love > > > On Apr 21, 10:49 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I don't know, it seems like a conglomeration of many aspects with much > > > broader meanings. Perhaps as a synopsis it could pass as a viable > > > statement. Free will allows us to act either way and so the > > > collective intelligence is not confined to either polarity. One can > > > effect negative change equally as in voodoo or witchcraft. To posit > > > that collective intelligence is a 'positive' metaphysical balance that > > > "maintains" anything seems farfetched. Fact is, simple observation > > > reveals that if anything there is more unbalance within the subset due > > > to the incongruity of individual understanding of cosmic energy > > > existing around us. If anything needs maintenance it IS the > > > collective intelligence not cosmic balance. > > > > On Apr 21, 12:21 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > The sum total of energy involved in mankind's interactions on and with > > > > the planet Earth, is the subset. > > > > The energy is cosmic energy. > > > > > I believe that within the subset free will allows us to act > > > > 'negatively'. Our collective intelligence is a 'positive' metaphysical > > > > balance that maintains the cosmic balance within the subset. > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > On Apr 21, 6:26 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > So what exactly is the subset energy as you see it and where is it > > > > > derived from? > > > > > > I'm thinking you are referring to the energy caused by the mass of > > > > > humanity but I still don't see the disconnect from the cosmos. > > > > > > On Apr 20, 12:23 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Agreed, that akshay is referring to a personal God. > > > > > > > I also agree on the cosmic energy. The subset 'Earth energy' is > > > > > > what I > > > > > > believe we do have the ability to affect. > > > > > > > On Apr 20, 9:44 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I don't think akshay is referring to a collective intelligence. > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > general religious consensus relays prayer petition to a deity by > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > name of choice. I agree that people are lacking the ability to > > > > > > > focus > > > > > > > properly, perhaps due to their weak belief in their belief or > > > > > > > religious affiliation for personal/peer reasons rather than > > > > > > > spiritual. Cosmic energy is not contained within any planetary > > > > > > > realm, > > > > > > > solar system or confined to any specific universe but more so it > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > infinite in time and space and far beyond our comprehension to > > > > > > > understand. > > > > > > > > On Apr 19, 10:54 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Apr 20, 5:35 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > IF prayer is somehow connected to the energy in the cosmos > > > > > > > > > that makes > > > > > > > > > things occur, then by all means one can try to focus in on > > > > > > > > > that energy > > > > > > > > > in order to bring about desired change. I'm always talking > > > > > > > > > about how > > > > > > > > > I come upon things by simply focusing on my need or in some > > > > > > > > > cases just > > > > > > > > > focusing on things just coming along whether I need them or > > > > > > > > > not and > > > > > > > > > then they just come around. Whether this is similar to prayer > > > > > > > > > petition is another question. > > > > > > > > > I think what you are talking about is the same thing as > > > > > > > > 'successful' > > > > > > > > prayer. We can manipulate the Yin/Yang of our world through > > > > > > > > 'focus' > > > > > > > > with the collective intelligence. > > > > > > > > > This is a bit off the prayer bit but > > > > > > > > > > the point is that perhaps there IS another force of energy > > > > > > > > > out there > > > > > > > > > that does effect change. The question is "does the energy > > > > > > > > > effect > > > > > > > > > change as the result of a prayer petition?" > > > > > > > > > Yes, but very few people know how to pray (focus) effectively. > > > > > > > > > Do we as humans have any > > > > > > > > > > influence, directly or indirectly on the incidence of cosmic > > > > > > > > > change > > > > > > > > > within the universe? Personally I don't view focusing on > > > > > > > > > cosmic > > > > > > > > > energy as prayer but a utilization of mental ability to > > > > > > > > > attract or > > > > > > > > > effect change. I'm sure there is some defining needed here > > > > > > > > > in order > > > > > > > > > to continue principle analysis. > > > > > > > > > I think the force we have influence with is contained on Earth > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > controlled by the collective intelligence. > > > > > > > > > peace & Love- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
