"...It's not a dichotomy between the head and the heart, rather the unity of both - a truly synergetic unity at that." - fran
Nicely said fran! I would only add that in an ultimate sense, they are consubstantial. On Apr 22, 9:35 am, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote: > Philosophy is originally (and still best, in my view) defined as "love > of wisdom". > > Apart from the inclusion of the Greek term "philos", which is > generally translated by love (while being different from "eros" and > "agape", which are also usually translated with the same word) - thus > broadening the definition immediately - I would argue that the > concept of "wisdom" ("sophia") is much wider than simply thinking, and > includes such components as basic moral attitude and what Rosey > describes as emotional intelligence. > > It's not a dichotomy between the head and the heart, rather the unity > of both - a truly synergetic unity at that. > > Francis > > On 22 Apr., 17:58, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I have to disagree I'm afraid. > > > Philosophy is no more than thinking, all of us humans are capable of > > that, indeed it somewhat defines us as a species. > > > On 22 Apr, 16:05, Rosey <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > In a sense your right Slip Disc, however, what I meant by genetics is > > > accumulated hereditary characteristics. Some people are biologically > > > bipolar, depressed, anxious, etc. I've witnessed such examples. > > > Inability to adhere to common philosophical viewpoints because they > > > are too uncontrollably emotional. Forced to seek interpersonal and > > > personal therapy, usually remedied with prescriptions. Yes a person > > > does strengthen themselves emotionally over time. A person also > > > learns to curb their love tendencies, but it all happens out of > > > experience in one's life. I believe that I myself, which I dislike > > > associating myself in examples, I don't want to appear narcissistic, > > > but oh well. I myself from a very young age remember wondering why > > > people handle things so emotionally, especially since nothing in their > > > power can change the traumatic element. I've always had a what's done > > > is done train of thought; often appearing cold and heartless for not > > > crying over the loss of a loved one. I don't like to put on shows. > > > Maybe it is a facade of strength which I am building, for when I am > > > left alone in thought, I will and do cry because it hurts. I am > > > rambling. > > > > <I wouldn't agree with your genetic > > > <assertion, as philosophy can be learned, basic reasoning can be > > > <taught. > > > > However the point I am trying to make is, philosophy can rule over > > > love, but only if one constructs that wall. Some are not capable of > > > doing so, mental illness or not. > > > > It seems everyone that chooses philosophy over love has been hurt to > > > some degree, thus the psychological development of, "I am not going to > > > let the happen again." > > > > Philosophers are gentle seekers of solutions to man's woes. That's > > > from the heart. > > > > On Apr 21, 11:16 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Rosey, I think we need a definitive of "heart" which obviously in this > > > > context is not the pumping organ. I don't think Matthijs is saying > > > > the philosophical mind "rules over the heart" but more so that it can, > > > > through reasoning, dismantle the sensitivities that affect the > > > > "heart" (which I would venture to guess is the emotion of love). I > > > > can, if I choose to, philosophically reason that love is a negative > > > > aspect of life and therefore overrule or negate any love stimuli and > > > > stop the release of dopamine and norepinephrine. Love can simply be a > > > > craving or a strong compulsion vulnerable to the reasoning of > > > > philosophy. > > > > As an example; Upon seeing a structure collapse, let's say, I can sit > > > > in a chair relaxed while others are jumping about in panic. > > > > Philosophy tells me there is nothing I can do about it so why bother > > > > with the emotions, while I'm being berated with "how could you just > > > > sit there?" Philosophy ruled over my heart in that sense. I guess it > > > > has something to do with the fact that I don't get teary eyed during > > > > emotional movies because I know it is just an act and not real, I may > > > > even laugh. > > > > > Now I wish there was a way to control love and feelings of > > > > > > love, however philosophical a person may be. It's not the philosophy > > > > > that controls the mind; it's actually how emotionally intelligent one > > > > > may be. It's genetic.<<<Rosey > > > > > There is a way to control love and feeling of love. We must take the > > > > "time" to examine the nature of love, the differing aspects of it and > > > > the interpretation of such in order to discern the validity of it so > > > > as to avoid undo stress upon the "heart" resulting from mere > > > > "infatuation". There is a fine line between "love, need and want", > > > > therefore we need to slow down our emotional process, the "impulse", > > > > in order to evaluate truth. It is not about "mind control" as much as > > > > it is philosophical guidance. I wouldn't agree with your genetic > > > > assertion, as philosophy can be learned, basic reasoning can be > > > > taught. > > > > Emotional intelligence of the "self" is good and a powerful tool. > > > > > On Apr 20, 7:48 am, Rosey <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > A philosophical mind rules over heart? I strongly beg to differ. > > > > > Philosophy comes from the heart. Come to think of it, love itself is > > > > > neurological. Studies have shown certain regions of the brain are > > > > > severely affected when it comes to love, and thoughts of love. I can > > > > > get technical, however find it unnecessary. Philosophy comes from a > > > > > highly developed analytical subconscious whose inquisitions of > > > > > elements are constant. An out of the box approach to drawing > > > > > conclusions from our own experiences and understanding. Philosophers > > > > > make sense most of the time because they tally and reason. It's like > > > > > arithmetic, if 1+1=2 then we have provided ourselves with a > > > > > solution. At least to me it's that way; mathemtically inundated > > > > > here. Now I wish there was a way to control love and feelings of > > > > > love, however philosophical a person may be. It's not the philosophy > > > > > that controls the mind; it's actually how emotionally intelligent one > > > > > may be. It's genetic. > > > > > > Just my thoughts on the matter, > > > > > Rosey > > > > > > "Jerry Springer's thought of the day is as worthy as a hair growing > > > > > out of mole." (Felt it was necessary to state that :P) > > > > > > On Apr 20, 7:52 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Heh you may be right, we can certianly though both endulge in our > > > > > > emotions whilst being able to 'raltionalise't then at the same time. > > > > > > > I have been married for 20 years come next summer, I'll be 40 years > > > > > > old > > > > > > (just abut) whne that happens. So doing the maths you'll see that I > > > > > > married at the young age of 20, and my wife is 3 years younger than > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > We are very much in love, in fact if anything the emotion grows > > > > > > stronger the longer we are together. For me, I just couldn't image > > > > > > life without my wife. So how has this effected me? > > > > > > > In soooo many countless ways, I am (in part) my love for me wife, my > > > > > > kids my siblings, my parents, my freinds, and even my fellow man. > > > > > > > Perhaps another question could be how can we have a sense of Self, > > > > > > without our emotions(any of them)? > > > > > > > On 20 Apr, 12:41, Matthijs <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello to all, > > > > > > > > I do not know if this is the right place is to ask this question. > > > > > > > Because I have the feeling that philosophers let their mind rule > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > their heart. I will ask it anyway. > > > > > > > > How does Love affect our (your) self-being? > > > > > > > > Our live on a thin red line, > > > > > > > Matthijs- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
