Automaton's by social subscription?  I would guess that there is some
degree of identity that is dictated by social norms.   Then there is
the cultural norm as well in which a child's identity is most often
prearranged without room for personal development.  Toss in ethnicity
and you have nearly obliterated the chance for a person to seek
personal identity from within.

On Apr 25, 10:32 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote:
> I think most of the people of the world are automatons. Their identity
> is what they're 'supposed to be'.
> The wannabes are obviously driven by something other than the unique
> self.
> I believe conformity is the purpose of the multi-media.
>
> The oddballs (like some of the people around here) who do recognize
> their 'self', I would think are the 'identified self'. The true self
> set the purpose to which the Life force was directed. That which they
> are is that which they chose to be.
>
> peace & Love
>
> On Apr 25, 10:27 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I find that many people regardless of their social status, socio-
> > enconomic level or general upbringing sometimes identify with that
> > which they are not.  Some call them a "wannabe".  Whatever the label
> > whatever the alter ego it still remains the same, people relating with
> > that which they are not.
>
> > Actor extraordinaire Daniel Day-Lewis once said,
> > "I came from the educated middle class but I identified with the
> > working classes. Those were the people I looked up to. The lads whose
> > fathers worked on the docks or in shipping yards or were shopkeepers.
> > I knew that I wasn't part of that world, but I was intrigued by it.
> > They had a different way of communicating. People who delight in
> > conversation are often using that as a means to not say what is on
> > their minds. When I became interested in theater, the work I admired
> > was being done by working-class writers. It was often about the
> > inarticulate. I later saw that same thing in Robert De Niro's early
> > work - it was the most sublime struggle of a man trying to express
> > himself. There was such poetry in that for me."
>
> > Are we who we are or are we that which we identify with, or possibly a
> > combination of both?
>
> > Personally I think that in someway we all identify with specific
> > things in the external world that we feel suits our personal desire,
> > want or need and then by adopting that identity we somehow learn to be
> > that which we identify with, unless it is beyond our capacity to
> > become that.
>
> > Is that a distraction from who we "really" are?  Is the constant
> > bombardment from multi-media a detriment to the development of the
> > true self?
>
> > Do we waste much of our time in youth attempting to emulate that which
> > we are intrigued by only to realize later in life the reality of who
> > we really are?
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