Ah so! Domo!
On Apr 26, 8:26 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote:
> "There is a level of "self" that defies all external influence."
>
> I'd say that is the core 'I am'.
>
> Those you mentioned are oddballs.
>
> Since you are making me confess as an oddball I'll point the finger at
> you too. And we are not without fine company (at Mind's Eye) who have
> also stripped away the BS imposed on the 'I am', and built the person
> we choose to be.
>
> peace & Love
>
> On Apr 26, 6:22 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > There is a level of "self" that defies all external influence. That
> > is the true unchangeable self, the undeniable self such as that
> > exhibited by Galileo, Nelson Mandela, Mother Teresa and others who
> > have stood firm in their self, against the onslaught of oppression,
> > degradation and tyranny.
>
> > Could you elaborate more on your descriptive, oddballs? Especially
> > earlier in your reference (like some of the people around here).
> > Something you can always privatize for the sake of personal shrouding.
> > lol
>
> > On Apr 26, 5:00 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Automaton's by social subscription?
>
> > > Well put. All the different input you suggest makes it really hard for
> > > anyone to truly be them self. It might be impossible to be totally
> > > free from affectation by Society. Even primitive natives are affected
> > > by their Society.
>
> > > Even the oddballs, though aware of the Society's influence, still do
> > > go with the flow. I think they can shrug off the negative impetus with
> > > the firm self grounding.
> > > I think the self has to be found within, through intent, and then one
> > > would create the 'identified self'.
>
> > > peace & Love
>
> > > On Apr 26, 8:22 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > Automaton's by social subscription? I would guess that there is some
> > > > degree of identity that is dictated by social norms. Then there is
> > > > the cultural norm as well in which a child's identity is most often
> > > > prearranged without room for personal development. Toss in ethnicity
> > > > and you have nearly obliterated the chance for a person to seek
> > > > personal identity from within.
>
> > > > On Apr 25, 10:32 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > I think most of the people of the world are automatons. Their identity
> > > > > is what they're 'supposed to be'.
> > > > > The wannabes are obviously driven by something other than the unique
> > > > > self.
> > > > > I believe conformity is the purpose of the multi-media.
>
> > > > > The oddballs (like some of the people around here) who do recognize
> > > > > their 'self', I would think are the 'identified self'. The true self
> > > > > set the purpose to which the Life force was directed. That which they
> > > > > are is that which they chose to be.
>
> > > > > peace & Love
>
> > > > > On Apr 25, 10:27 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > I find that many people regardless of their social status, socio-
> > > > > > enconomic level or general upbringing sometimes identify with that
> > > > > > which they are not. Some call them a "wannabe". Whatever the label
> > > > > > whatever the alter ego it still remains the same, people relating
> > > > > > with
> > > > > > that which they are not.
>
> > > > > > Actor extraordinaire Daniel Day-Lewis once said,
> > > > > > "I came from the educated middle class but I identified with the
> > > > > > working classes. Those were the people I looked up to. The lads
> > > > > > whose
> > > > > > fathers worked on the docks or in shipping yards or were
> > > > > > shopkeepers.
> > > > > > I knew that I wasn't part of that world, but I was intrigued by it.
> > > > > > They had a different way of communicating. People who delight in
> > > > > > conversation are often using that as a means to not say what is on
> > > > > > their minds. When I became interested in theater, the work I admired
> > > > > > was being done by working-class writers. It was often about the
> > > > > > inarticulate. I later saw that same thing in Robert De Niro's early
> > > > > > work - it was the most sublime struggle of a man trying to express
> > > > > > himself. There was such poetry in that for me."
>
> > > > > > Are we who we are or are we that which we identify with, or
> > > > > > possibly a
> > > > > > combination of both?
>
> > > > > > Personally I think that in someway we all identify with specific
> > > > > > things in the external world that we feel suits our personal desire,
> > > > > > want or need and then by adopting that identity we somehow learn to
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > that which we identify with, unless it is beyond our capacity to
> > > > > > become that.
>
> > > > > > Is that a distraction from who we "really" are? Is the constant
> > > > > > bombardment from multi-media a detriment to the development of the
> > > > > > true self?
>
> > > > > > Do we waste much of our time in youth attempting to emulate that
> > > > > > which
> > > > > > we are intrigued by only to realize later in life the reality of who
> > > > > > we really are?
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