I am a teacher - I think it's somewhat of an easy lie to pretend to be a facilitator or whatever. The evidence points to a relativism of multiple voices and interests, yet our consideration of this points to an implicit realism in this rather than mere, solitary perspectivalism. Some perspectives can be demonstrably better than others. I believe Orn is always right to point to the need to reveal or at least examine the perspectives themselves and what may consume us in them. Wit, cynicism, irony, satire and even sarcasm can help break up the consuming, yet also be consuming - the latter always part of Ornerism (in the good sense that he attacks any 'shell'). The Academy, if ever on track, has lost its way and is more fit for ridicule, perhaps even velvet-flowered revolution than it knows. In some ways I want an insurrection of autobiographies a la Gruff - nothing new in that as I'm sure Molly could explain. There has to be more (for me) than better representation and exegesis of experience and something about best explanation that is not seeking domination. If one seeks to deconstruct credibility, then one should not seek to do this merely through attempts to establish one's own credibility, one should be open to language-games of ridicule oneself, perhaps encourage such as a teacher. This still leaves open how we can better believe what we can know and not retreat into discourses we forget are practices. In this legitimation crisis we suffer from the 'reverse Pollyana syndrome' - the hymn-sheet reading politicos, edutainment, relish of the banal and so on. If 'seriousness' is on both sides of the dialectic we may well need wit to expose this and what is core (seen or unseen) in the sets of our arguments, discover how and what reduces to the other in moving to synthesis and new, experimentally evaluated practices. I believe this is how consciousness could change. I was impressed my grandson called his first website 'DefinitionofRandom' yesterday morning.
On 26 Apr, 21:38, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > practically > > On Apr 26, 4:00 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I find arch to be creative with a humorous flair, a sort of toying > > with ideas, another dimension of linguistics, a provocation of mind > > and an experiment in mentalism. Possibly, one's repetitious immersion > > in academia livelihood has a dulling effect on extra dialectic > > engagement. I'm always thankful for his presence in the forum and > > look forward to his contribution to my threads and posts. > > Practically Signature Slip > > > On Apr 26, 2:30 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > and practically signature Orn to illustrate with authority. > > > > On Apr 26, 3:15 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > It's practically signature Neal to deconstruct without engaging. > > > > > On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 11:00 AM, ornamentalmind > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Neil, as is the case quite often, your post appears to be from a place > > > > > of disillusionment. Not that I wish a Pollyannaish point of view, but > > > > > with as much insight as you have, I have great hopes for future offers > > > > > presenting more practice in wiping the excrement from those not so > > > > > rose colored glasses. > > > > > > The throw-away lines you like to close with, while containing a tad of > > > > > a pedagogical Bill Porter (O. Henry), are so lightly presented as to > > > > > become more ethereal than instructive. > > > > > > On Apr 26, 1:28 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> We have two toilets, but also water rates. What is given with one > > > > >> hand is taken away with the other. Poverty easily becomes the Monty > > > > >> Python joke, until one sees real people living in a 'shoe-box' in a > > > > >> central reservation in Sao Paulo. In serious vein, we are > > > > >> overpopulating and producing spurious notions of meritocracy and > > > > >> democracy as merely superior forms of human resource management. > > > > >> One might see it this way: We are merely vessels for the survival of > > > > >> our genetic material. Thus one dominates the world with CIA-assisted > > > > >> marketing of banal but standardised software, steals eggs from one's > > > > >> partner, transplants one's DNA into such eggs and speeds the result > > > > >> off into the vastness, ensuring the survival of one's DNA. There is > > > > >> now no need for the human world at all. Victory is assured as soon > > > > >> as > > > > >> one gets a gullible politico to push a red button. Quite what the > > > > >> purpose of the triumph of one's DNA is in such circumstances might > > > > >> get > > > > >> more debate than it does. > > > > > >> On 26 Apr, 05:30, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> > Dang! I left out the toilet, my home has two full baths, I'm living > > > > >> > like royalty!! > > > > > >> > I'm going to borrow that Ghandi quote for the collective mentality > > > > >> > thread, thanks! > > > > > >> > On Apr 25, 11:14 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > > > > >> > wrote: > > > > > >> > > A poster on the wall at work: > > > > > >> > > If your home has something other than a dirt floor you are in > > > > >> > > the top > > > > >> > > half of the world’s population. > > > > > >> > > If your home has a roof, a door, windows and more than one room, > > > > >> > > you > > > > >> > > are in the top 20%. > > > > > >> > > If you have refrigeration, you are in the top 5%. > > > > > >> > > If you have a car, a microwave, a video, a computer and this > > > > >> > > toilet > > > > >> > > has a cubicle door, then you are in the top 1%. > > > > > >> > > “We must be the change we want to see in the world.” – Mahatma > > > > >> > > Gandhi > > > > > >> > > On Apr 25, 5:58 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > In further retrospect I have to say that there were many times > > > > >> > > > I > > > > >> > > > realized the poverty in which my youth had developed but now I > > > > >> > > > realize > > > > >> > > > when witnessing the abject poverty of third world countries > > > > >> > > > that I am > > > > >> > > > living the life of luxury just by the mere fact that I can > > > > >> > > > walk over > > > > >> > > > to a sink and get water, take hot showers, have a refrigerator > > > > >> > > > and a > > > > >> > > > microwave oven. We can take life for granted which is why the > > > > >> > > > wealthy > > > > >> > > > and privileged keep hording. It is basically the concept of > > > > >> > > > relative > > > > >> > > > deprivation. > > > > > >> > > > On Apr 25, 7:16 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > Maybe 'read' was a typo for 'ride' Slip. I get confused > > > > >> > > > > easily these > > > > >> > > > > days - good job you are about to fix my intentionality. > > > > >> > > > > Boys' Town > > > > >> > > > > was obviously a privileged place - our first car was a > > > > >> > > > > borrowed > > > > >> > > > > Vandenplas Princess with bald tires, followed by a Morris > > > > >> > > > > Oxford my > > > > >> > > > > brother fixed. England was always a poor place with > > > > >> > > > > memories of > > > > >> > > > > walking, waiting for buses that came sometimes, though we > > > > >> > > > > often spent > > > > >> > > > > our fare money on a shared bag of chips, eating them whilst > > > > >> > > > > clinging > > > > >> > > > > to the rear door rail of the bus sparking our clogs. Credit > > > > >> > > > > was > > > > >> > > > > something for the few who bed and breakfasted or shorted > > > > >> > > > > shares, > > > > >> > > > > travelling in chauffeur-driven cars -plus ca change ... > > > > > >> > > > > On 26 Apr, 00:37, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> > > > > >> > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > Something along that line...and I see Gruff right at home > > > > >> > > > > > on that seat. ;) > > > > > >> > > > > > On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Slip Disc > > > > >> > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > NIce! My old man had one of those and sold it off when > > > > >> > > > > > > I was too > > > > >> > > > > > > young to realize the value of it. > > > > > >> > > > > > > You made the off the wall connection though, Chris, it > > > > >> > > > > > > must be the > > > > >> > > > > > > Floridian Hooch eh? > > > > > >> > > > > > > On Apr 25, 3:33 pm, Chris Jenkins > > > > >> > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > >> Like so? > > > > > >> > > > > > >>http://www.american-v.co.uk/custom_bikes/001_indian/01c_indian_12.jpg > > > > > >> > > > > > >> On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 12:16 AM, Slip Disc > > > > >> > > > > > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Gruff's auto? Is there some kind of car trouble? > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Really Arch! New thread without a "Link"? > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Imagine what some Indian might be thinking! > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > On Apr 24, 11:01 pm, archytas > > > > >> > > > > > >> > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > >> >> An easy read Gruff - in the sense it went down well. > > > > >> > > > > > >> >> Found myself > > > > >> > > > > > >> >> wondering whether the themes repeat often through > > > > >> > > > > > >> >> later years and > > > > >> > > > > > >> >> wanting to know more. > > > > >> > > > > > >> >> Neil- Hide quoted text - > > > > > >> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > >> - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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