sharing the smile...
On Apr 29, 7:31 am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote:
> Molly, my dear freind, there is always an ache in my heart at the
> thought of that occasion when we may all meet up, give ourselves huge
> hugs, and bask in the pure aura of what we've evolved into.
>
> Then, I shed my light in the intellect and know that we're already
> met. As with the emotion, even the knowledge falls off me, and I
> remain in the bliss of oneness, there and then.
>
> I have said it before, and I say it again : You are the Angel, the
> Keeper of the Garden, in our midst !
>
> Thank you.
>
> On Apr 29, 3:56 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Infinite gratitude, Vam, for the delightful opportunity
>
> > On Apr 29, 12:19 am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Neil, I now appreciate the " enlightenment " remarks. It points to the
> > > same " corruption " we increasingly see everywhere. But, the " baby "
> > > is / might be still there in the bathwater !
>
> > > " Saying " is a very sacred phenomenon : it enables individuals to
> > > touch each other, empower or motivate each other, change each other,
> > > transform each other ...
>
> > > In that domain, there are vast spaces for the " unsaid," the " less
> > > said," the " firmly said," the " clearly said," the " unclearly
> > > said," ... ... and the attendent emotions and thoughts, tasks and
> > > responsibilities, each such saying leaves upon and for us in their
> > > wake.
>
> > > You are sharing with us the emotions and thoughts such " saying " and
> > > " unsaying " has left or continues to leave upon you !
>
> > > Why or what makes the " unsaid " more difficult to confront ?
>
> > > I can sense that the answer is somehow connected with : " I suspect
> > > the fact is that we are all more inter - connected than we know
> > > already, yet still talk and act as though we are not." Do you ? And,
> > > if yes, would you be able to describe / map the linkage ?
>
> > > This is a delightful opportunity for a huge advance in the quality of
> > > communication we've been having amongst each other. LOL.
>
> > > On Apr 29, 4:01 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > Some way from what I really mean, I remember many sporting incidents
> > > > in which no one dared admit the team was crap (against such evidence
> > > > as being competition rubbing rags for 7 years). In rugby, I drifted
> > > > from the first division to second with my best mate (who was
> > > > international class), booze moving from after match pain relief to
> > > > Saturday morning pain precaution. We never spoke about it, but both
> > > > gave up on the same soggy day of defeat in the mud at Rochdale. The
> > > > wider unsaid is much more difficult to confront.
>
> > > > On 28 Apr, 15:24, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > I really can't say or shouldn't say, or maybe I'm just afraid to say.
> > > > > But let's say we just say and in that way we play with what is
> > > > > sometimes kept at bay, even if it stirs a fray. At least in the end,
> > > > > come what may, it could pay to say we had a great day. Nay?
>
> > > > > Oy veh!
>
> > > > > On Apr 28, 9:01 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > I suspect the fact is that we are all more inter-
> > > > > > connected than we know already, yet still talk and act as though we
> > > > > > are not.
>
> > > > > > It seems to be that knowing both to be true is key
>
> > > > > > What we need to
> > > > > > engage with is kept silent and we may need laughter to reveal it
> > > > > > because we are traumatised to silence through the politesse and
> > > > > > etiquette of old arguments that serve to miss the point.
>
> > > > > > I find this enormously insightful. I am not sure how to get at the
> > > > > > kept silent. Kept silent as unseen, unknown - or something seen and
> > > > > > known but feared into silence? Each would have a very different
> > > > > > viewpoint.
>
> > > > > > On Apr 28, 9:24 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > I didn't mean enlightenment per se Vam. Use of this term varies
> > > > > > > greatly, as I'm sure we know. It's the business of attracting
> > > > > > > individuals to enlightenment by those claiming to have achieved
> > > > > > > it and
> > > > > > > who claim to recognise the talent or readiness in others to enter
> > > > > > > an
> > > > > > > enlightened state as some kind of privilege that is the old,
> > > > > > > failed
> > > > > > > fiction. I suspect much of this is connected to Plato's 3-part
> > > > > > > soul.
> > > > > > > I haven't time to continue just now and can only say what an
> > > > > > > enlightened world it would be if we were able to celebrate and
> > > > > > > commiserate over an England or India victory in Peshawar - perhaps
> > > > > > > with our grandchildren playing with local children in nearby
> > > > > > > gardens.
> > > > > > > Cricket would, of course, be an irrelevance to whatever else had
> > > > > > > happened to allow this. I can strategise what I mean rather than
> > > > > > > just
> > > > > > > whine as a martyr. I suspect the fact is that we are all more
> > > > > > > inter-
> > > > > > > connected than we know already, yet still talk and act as though
> > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > are not. Globbalisation (no typo) is a case in point. I have a
> > > > > > > feeling that wider attempts to describe life as lived (eg
> > > > > > > AutoGruff)
> > > > > > > could help us work out the actual ground.
>
> > > > > > > On 28 Apr, 10:15, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > This is a refreshing voice I hear from you, Neil ! Would like
> > > > > > > > to hear
> > > > > > > > of more depths neath what you are saying. LOL.
>
> > > > > > > > For one, what did you mean when you used the word "
> > > > > > > > enlightenment ?"
> > > > > > > > Why is it an " old, failed fiction ?"
>
> > > > > > > > On Apr 28, 10:37 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > [from C.S. Lewis 'The Screwtape Letters' - 1942]
> > > > > > > > > It sounds as if you supposed that argument was the way to
> > > > > > > > > keep him out
> > > > > > > > > of the Enemy's clutches. That might have been so had he
> > > > > > > > > lived a few
> > > > > > > > > centuries earlier. At that time humans still knew pretty
> > > > > > > > > well when a
> > > > > > > > > thing was proved and when it was not; and if it was proved
> > > > > > > > > they really
> > > > > > > > > believed it. They still connected thinking with doing and
> > > > > > > > > were
> > > > > > > > > prepared to alter their way of life as the result of a chain
> > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > reasoning. But what with the weekly press and other such
> > > > > > > > > weapons we
> > > > > > > > > have largely altered that. Your man has been accustomed,
> > > > > > > > > ever since
> > > > > > > > > he was a boy, to have a dozen incompatible philosophies
> > > > > > > > > dancing about
> > > > > > > > > inside his head. He doesn't think of doctrines as primarily
> > > > > > > > > "true" or
> > > > > > > > > "false", but as "academic" or "practical", "outworn" or
> > > > > > > > > "contemporary". "conventional" or "ruthless" ... Make him
> > > > > > > > > think it is
> > > > > > > > > strong, or stark, or courageous - that is the philosophy of
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > future.
>
> > > > > > > > > Lewis, of course, is taking the urine. The Enemy is The
> > > > > > > > > Church and he
> > > > > > > > > is writing in irony (we perhaps know him better as the author
> > > > > > > > > of the
> > > > > > > > > Biblical saga 'The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe').
> > > > > > > > > Molly's World
> > > > > > > > > would be very welcome, yet even in there we would have to be
> > > > > > > > > cautioned
> > > > > > > > > against manipulation like the above and lingering Genghis
> > > > > > > > > Khans. Even
> > > > > > > > > tolerance can turn into a dreadful weapon in human affairs.
> > > > > > > > > Deconstruction, in part, teaches a key caution on the
> > > > > > > > > "objective-
> > > > > > > > > bureaucratic voice" many confuse with dispassionate argument.
> > > > > > > > > It is
> > > > > > > > > wary of engagement in any rush to knowledge, but has broadly
> > > > > > > > > failed to
> > > > > > > > > spot its own rules of engagement - perhaps most farcically in
> > > > > > > > > its
> > > > > > > > > plaudits to authors announcing the death of the author.
>
> > > > > > > > > Words are little in comparison with a desire to shake my
> > > > > > > > > friend Vam's
> > > > > > > > > hand over a matter of simply decent engagement which would
> > > > > > > > > remain
> > > > > > > > > silent in the embrace. It would be good if India or England
> > > > > > > > > had had a
> > > > > > > > > close fought victory in cricket and both of us experienced the
> > > > > > > > > meaningless history in buying a drink for the "loser". It
> > > > > > > > > might be
> > > > > > > > > better still if the match was played in a Pakistan free of
> > > > > > > > > strife and
> > > > > > > > > a world free of poverty - a poverty properly defined to
> > > > > > > > > understand the
> > > > > > > > > poverty of Western "riches" as much as that of an Indian
> > > > > > > > > population
> > > > > > > > > hoping politicians will put enough food on their tables and a
> > > > > > > > > roof
> > > > > > > > > against what the sky brings. We need new arguments and
> > > > > > > > > action engaged
> > > > > > > > > with them. The lack of this Slip, is my disappointment with
> > > > > > > > > an
> > > > > > > > > academe that hacks out old nonsense, forever re-packaged - we
> > > > > > > > > should
> > > > > > > > > be laughing at it but also reconstructing the chain of reason
> > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > knowledge of its modern failures. In this sense, there is no
> > > > > > > > > need to
> > > > > > > > > be ready for enlightenment as an individual, yet need to
> > > > > > > > > recognise
> > > > > > > > > this is an old, failed fiction with much in common with
> > > > > > > > > dreadful
> > > > > > > > > cosmetic adverts urging 'because you're worth it'. What we
> > > > > > > > > need to
> > > > > > > > > engage with is kept silent and we may need laughter to reveal
> > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > because we are traumatised to silence through the politesse
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > etiquette of old arguments that serve to miss the point.
>
> > > > > > > > > On 27 Apr, 19:24, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > God you Turn me On!
>
> > > > > > > > > > :-)
> > > > > > > > > > peace & Love
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Apr 27, 11:18 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Very good Molly, it is a recognition of the spark of life
> > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > energizes the heartbeat, gives breath to
>
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>
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