Thank you Neil, for this poignant view of psychodrama seen from the point of the witness, one step removed and asking why...
On Apr 28, 1:37 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > [from C.S. Lewis 'The Screwtape Letters' - 1942] > It sounds as if you supposed that argument was the way to keep him out > of the Enemy's clutches. That might have been so had he lived a few > centuries earlier. At that time humans still knew pretty well when a > thing was proved and when it was not; and if it was proved they really > believed it. They still connected thinking with doing and were > prepared to alter their way of life as the result of a chain of > reasoning. But what with the weekly press and other such weapons we > have largely altered that. Your man has been accustomed, ever since > he was a boy, to have a dozen incompatible philosophies dancing about > inside his head. He doesn't think of doctrines as primarily "true" or > "false", but as "academic" or "practical", "outworn" or > "contemporary". "conventional" or "ruthless" ... Make him think it is > strong, or stark, or courageous - that is the philosophy of the > future. > > Lewis, of course, is taking the urine. The Enemy is The Church and he > is writing in irony (we perhaps know him better as the author of the > Biblical saga 'The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe'). Molly's World > would be very welcome, yet even in there we would have to be cautioned > against manipulation like the above and lingering Genghis Khans. Even > tolerance can turn into a dreadful weapon in human affairs. > Deconstruction, in part, teaches a key caution on the "objective- > bureaucratic voice" many confuse with dispassionate argument. It is > wary of engagement in any rush to knowledge, but has broadly failed to > spot its own rules of engagement - perhaps most farcically in its > plaudits to authors announcing the death of the author. > > Words are little in comparison with a desire to shake my friend Vam's > hand over a matter of simply decent engagement which would remain > silent in the embrace. It would be good if India or England had had a > close fought victory in cricket and both of us experienced the > meaningless history in buying a drink for the "loser". It might be > better still if the match was played in a Pakistan free of strife and > a world free of poverty - a poverty properly defined to understand the > poverty of Western "riches" as much as that of an Indian population > hoping politicians will put enough food on their tables and a roof > against what the sky brings. We need new arguments and action engaged > with them. The lack of this Slip, is my disappointment with an > academe that hacks out old nonsense, forever re-packaged - we should > be laughing at it but also reconstructing the chain of reason in > knowledge of its modern failures. In this sense, there is no need to > be ready for enlightenment as an individual, yet need to recognise > this is an old, failed fiction with much in common with dreadful > cosmetic adverts urging 'because you're worth it'. What we need to > engage with is kept silent and we may need laughter to reveal it > because we are traumatised to silence through the politesse and > etiquette of old arguments that serve to miss the point. > > On 27 Apr, 19:24, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > God you Turn me On! > > > :-) > > peace & Love > > > On Apr 27, 11:18 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Very good Molly, it is a recognition of the spark of life that > > > energizes the heartbeat, gives breath to the soul and allows for the > > > free mind. > > > > On Apr 27, 6:48 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I think a person who voices this phrase is either in love with his > > > > golden shadow, found his godhood, or in a sleazy bar with his mind so > > > > blurred by mind altering substances that they haven't a clue as to > > > > what is really attractive. Knowing you, Slip, you have just come from > > > > a campfire where you were contemplating the finer things in life, so I > > > > guess, one of the first two would apply. > > > > > On Apr 26, 7:15 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Molly, what do you think of the expression, "God you Turn me On". > > > > > > On Apr 26, 3:38 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > practically > > > > > > > On Apr 26, 4:00 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I find arch to be creative with a humorous flair, a sort of toying > > > > > > > with ideas, another dimension of linguistics, a provocation of > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > and an experiment in mentalism. Possibly, one's repetitious > > > > > > > immersion > > > > > > > in academia livelihood has a dulling effect on extra dialectic > > > > > > > engagement. I'm always thankful for his presence in the forum and > > > > > > > look forward to his contribution to my threads and posts. > > > > > > > Practically Signature Slip > > > > > > > > On Apr 26, 2:30 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > and practically signature Orn to illustrate with authority. > > > > > > > > > On Apr 26, 3:15 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It's practically signature Neal to deconstruct without > > > > > > > > > engaging. > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 11:00 AM, ornamentalmind > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Neil, as is the case quite often, your post appears to be > > > > > > > > > > from a place > > > > > > > > > > of disillusionment. Not that I wish a Pollyannaish point of > > > > > > > > > > view, but > > > > > > > > > > with as much insight as you have, I have great hopes for > > > > > > > > > > future offers > > > > > > > > > > presenting more practice in wiping the excrement from those > > > > > > > > > > not so > > > > > > > > > > rose colored glasses. > > > > > > > > > > > The throw-away lines you like to close with, while > > > > > > > > > > containing a tad of > > > > > > > > > > a pedagogical Bill Porter (O. Henry), are so lightly > > > > > > > > > > presented as to > > > > > > > > > > become more ethereal than instructive. > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 26, 1:28 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> We have two toilets, but also water rates. What is given > > > > > > > > > >> with one > > > > > > > > > >> hand is taken away with the other. Poverty easily becomes > > > > > > > > > >> the Monty > > > > > > > > > >> Python joke, until one sees real people living in a > > > > > > > > > >> 'shoe-box' in a > > > > > > > > > >> central reservation in Sao Paulo. In serious vein, we are > > > > > > > > > >> overpopulating and producing spurious notions of > > > > > > > > > >> meritocracy and > > > > > > > > > >> democracy as merely superior forms of human resource > > > > > > > > > >> management. > > > > > > > > > >> One might see it this way: We are merely vessels for the > > > > > > > > > >> survival of > > > > > > > > > >> our genetic material. Thus one dominates the world with > > > > > > > > > >> CIA-assisted > > > > > > > > > >> marketing of banal but standardised software, steals eggs > > > > > > > > > >> from one's > > > > > > > > > >> partner, transplants one's DNA into such eggs and speeds > > > > > > > > > >> the result > > > > > > > > > >> off into the vastness, ensuring the survival of one's DNA. > > > > > > > > > >> There is > > > > > > > > > >> now no need for the human world at all. Victory is > > > > > > > > > >> assured as soon as > > > > > > > > > >> one gets a gullible politico to push a red button. Quite > > > > > > > > > >> what the > > > > > > > > > >> purpose of the triumph of one's DNA is in such > > > > > > > > > >> circumstances might get > > > > > > > > > >> more debate than it does. > > > > > > > > > > >> On 26 Apr, 05:30, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >> > Dang! I left out the toilet, my home has two full baths, > > > > > > > > > >> > I'm living > > > > > > > > > >> > like royalty!! > > > > > > > > > > >> > I'm going to borrow that Ghandi quote for the collective > > > > > > > > > >> > mentality > > > > > > > > > >> > thread, thanks! > > > > > > > > > > >> > On Apr 25, 11:14 pm, ornamentalmind > > > > > > > > > >> > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >> > > A poster on the wall at work: > > > > > > > > > > >> > > If your home has something other than a dirt floor you > > > > > > > > > >> > > are in the top > > > > > > > > > >> > > half of the world’s population. > > > > > > > > > > >> > > If your home has a roof, a door, windows and more than > > > > > > > > > >> > > one room, you > > > > > > > > > >> > > are in the top 20%. > > > > > > > > > > >> > > If you have refrigeration, you are in the top 5%. > > > > > > > > > > >> > > If you have a car, a microwave, a video, a computer > > > > > > > > > >> > > and this toilet > > > > > > > > > >> > > has a cubicle door, then you are in the top 1%. > > > > > > > > > > >> > > “We must be the change we want to see in the world.” – > > > > > > > > > >> > > Mahatma Gandhi > > > > > > > > > > >> > > On Apr 25, 5:58 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > In further retrospect I have to say that there were > > > > > > > > > >> > > > many times I > > > > > > > > > >> > > > realized the poverty in which my youth had developed > > > > > > > > > >> > > > but now I realize > > > > > > > > > >> > > > when witnessing the abject poverty of third world > > > > > > > > > >> > > > countries that I am > > > > > > > > > >> > > > living the life of luxury just by the mere fact that > > > > > > > > > >> > > > I can walk over > > > > > > > > > >> > > > to a sink and get water, take hot showers, have a > > > > > > > > > >> > > > refrigerator and a > > > > > > > > > >> > > > microwave oven. We can take life for granted which > > > > > > > > > >> > > > is why the wealthy > > > > > > > > > >> > > > and privileged keep hording. It is basically the > > > > > > > > > >> > > > concept of relative > > > > > > > > > >> > > > deprivation. > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > On Apr 25, 7:16 pm, archytas > > > > > > > > > >> > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Maybe 'read' was a typo for 'ride' Slip. I get > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > confused easily these > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > days - good job you are about to fix my > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > intentionality. Boys' Town > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > was obviously a privileged place - our first car > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > was a borrowed > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Vandenplas Princess with bald tires, followed by a > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Morris Oxford my > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > brother fixed. England was always a poor place > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > with memories of > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > walking, waiting for buses that came sometimes, > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > though we often spent > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > our fare money on a shared bag of chips, eating > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > them whilst clinging > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > to the rear door rail of the bus sparking our > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > clogs. Credit was > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
