I can't really describe them other than as psycho-shits.  They are
dumb, but seem to be able to convince people they are OK - most
psychos can be really convincing until the evidence catches them out.
Eventually, I had to organise a clan gathering of sorts to get rid of
them.  They are still claiming to have done nothing wrong, this
'nothing wrong' including drug dealing, introducing their kids to
drugs, probably prostitution (and certainly to attract gang members),
constant thefts and all kinds of noise nuisance and violence, excusing
the arson as reasonable because they were attacked with a machete.
They've been doing this for 20 years plus. We may well sip some 'fine
blend' ourselves when they are sent down.

On 30 Apr, 02:40, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:
> Your neighbors sound like charming sorts, Arch. Have them over for tea much?
>
> Sampling the latest herbal tincture. A fine blend if I do say so myself. More 
> to come...
>
>
>
> [ Attached Message ]From:archytas <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\"" 
> <[email protected]>Date:Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:28:04 -0700 
> (PDT)Local:Thurs 30 Apr 2009 02:28Subject:[Mind's Eye] Re: gruff's auto
>
> I feel the not allowing oneself to succeed deeply Gruff.  One could
> take a deeply introspective line here - I think we all know that in
> our differing ways.  I am deeply saddened by what gets promoted as
> success - it's usually some kind of covered-up failure.  Our really
> utterly crap neighbours have now been evicted - she faces a trial for
> attempted arson at the end of May.  He continues with methadone, tins
> of strong cider and attempts to pretend dignity amongst drugs and
> petty crime.  Their kids are sucked in.  It would be instructive to
> get into the inside of this failure and the failure of relevant
> authorities to understand it and offer some other kind of dignity.
> These people are living on benefits from a system they never
> contribute to, just as people are finding that their 40 year pensions
> are worth a quarter of what they were led to expect.  They are
> stealing from shops, often with some insider who puts the goods out
> with the rubbish for them to fence.  I see no one coming forward with
> any real plan - the solution is to have enough money to live away from
> all this, perhaps by working in the system that doesn't help these
> people or their victims.  Part of my plan was to bring attention to
> the inside voice of such people - ironically denied because we became
> victims of a particularly mad, bad and sad couple and the system which
> just cannot cope - perhaps because justice has nothing to do with the
> bloated salaries of those in the legal system.  I suspect that
> 'success' is taught to us as being about seizing the main chance,
> either in promoting the lying bullshit required by politicians'
> targets or fencing stolen supermarket food.  The bureaucrats, perhaps
> as usual, may be worse than the thieves.
> There's always a danger in becoming a martyr in autobiography and
> suckering oneself into false enlightenment - one might say Henry
> George is an example writ large in this area, or think of the killer
> sect that has made itself holy enough to kill everyone else..  Even
> autobiography requires articulation and skills many do not have, but
> it's at least some kind of start in a wider voicing.  As Vam points
> out, the language-games go well beyond anything we write, though there
> remain questions about how we can make more present.
>
> On 29 Apr, 19:35, gruff <[email protected]> wrote:> Yup, Slip.  You nailed 
> it.  Some people think my handle best describes
> > my temperament and demeanor, but in actuality I'm the goat in the
> > middle.  I read that tale as a child and it's been my online handle
> > for as long as I've been online.
>
> > On Apr 25, 5:40 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > I was wondering how long it was going to take for you to stick you
> > > head back in the window.  Hope all is well.  I can definitely relate
> > > as many others can as to the non picnic experiences of life
> > > experienced by some.  Still somehow is all seems relative as others
> > > are even further down the food chain.  I can see why gruff's postings
> > > have been scarce now that there is evidence of his spent time.  Just
> > > for the grins I came upon 
> > > this,http://www.pitt.edu/~dash/type0122e.html#gruff
> > > Now I think I know what the old goat has been up to. lol
>
> 

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