Much to simply agree with Vam and Gruff.  Kets de Vries is pretty
conservative _ I'd hold that organisational life is largely
irrational.

On 30 Apr, 18:06, gruff <[email protected]> wrote:
> Nice exposition, Vam.  I think your list of success' peripherals is
> perfect and not even indicators of real success.   They are just
> byproducts, collateral damage, yet many wrongfully and to their own
> detriment consider them to be the goals.
>
> "... On Apr 29, 9:28 pm, Vamadevananda <[email protected]>
> wrote: ..."
>
> > " I suspect that 'success' is taught to us as being about seizing the
> > main chance, either in promoting the lying bullshit required by
> > politicians' targets or fencing stolen supermarket food.  The
> > bureaucrats, perhaps as usual, may be worse than the thieves."
>
> > Success is both important and simple to understand. It starts in the
> > heart of man, as desire or want and then as the goal one commits
> > oneself to. Then follows the long haul of effort, application of mind,
> > discipline and single mindedness ...   such that one's faculties grow
> > in capacity ...  and, one discovers oneself.
>
> > Success is launching oneself and remaining on that journey of self -
> > discovery. Stations, Position, Money, Property, Power Gain, etc. are
> > peripheral to success and are, at best, secondary gauges of success.
>
> > This is not to contradict your views about politicians and
> > bureaucrats. They are not even peripheral to the topic of " success,"
> > but for their visibility.
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