You put the razor to me again, friend!
On May 1, 9:26 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Yes or not so much, cannot be both. If the question were that easy
> you would have more to say, for it is the difficult questions that
> lack the words to explain." - SD
>
> Well friend slip...in this case, you are wrong on both points.
> 1. "Neither being nor not-being nor both nor neither." (one aspect of
> some sects of Buddhism)
> 2. Apparently you don't embrace Occam....and, I didn't lack words to
> explain.
>
> On Apr 30, 9:09 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Yes or not so much, cannot be both. If the question were that easy
> > you would have more to say, for it is the difficult questions that
> > lack the words to explain.
>
> > On Apr 30, 10:36 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > "When you say "seeing", is that like in the mirror?
>
> > > You must be very pressed for time orn." - SD
>
> > > Yes...not so much...it is an easy question.
>
> > > On Apr 30, 2:02 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > When you say "seeing", is that like in the mirror?
>
> > > > You must be very pressed for time orn.
>
> > > > On Apr 30, 3:28 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Love is seeing the equal...
>
> > > > > On Apr 30, 10:29 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Absolutely brilliant, Francis. Thank you.
>
> > > > > > On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 12:08 PM, frantheman
>
> > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > I could just quote your description back to you, Chris, and it
> > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > also apply about 98% to me. I know that amazing feeling of falling
> > > > > > > completely, unreservedly, in love where brain, belly and balls
> > > > > > > are all
> > > > > > > focussed in just one direction. I think, for a good long-term
> > > > > > > relationship, friendship (philos) must add itself to eros, if the
> > > > > > > relationship is to have a chance. And respect, always respect -
> > > > > > > something which isn't always easy to maintain when two people have
> > > > > > > learned to know each other (including the weaknesses of the other)
> > > > > > > really well.
>
> > > > > > > That said, I'm solo for nearly a year now, having spent most of my
> > > > > > > adult life in two long-term relationships. As of now, I'm still
> > > > > > > enjoying it, although I do think I would rather see a partnership
> > > > > > > situation in the medium to long term. Still, I certainly haven't
> > > > > > > reached the stage where I actively go looking for it. Indeed, my
> > > > > > > personal story has always been that serious relationships have
> > > > > > > started
> > > > > > > out of normal, everyday encounters. But I've been lucky in that
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > cataclysmic break-up of my last relationship early last summer
> > > > > > > coincided with the move of my 17-year old daughter, who had been
> > > > > > > living with her mother abroad since we broke up twelve years ago
> > > > > > > (so
> > > > > > > that we could only see each other a couple of times a year for
> > > > > > > over a
> > > > > > > decade), to live with me. So loneliness hasn't been a negative
> > > > > > > factor,
> > > > > > > and we have a very good, harmonious relationship - the more so,
> > > > > > > because we both had to work hard to sustain the relationship over
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > years.
>
> > > > > > > Writing this, it strikes me how deeply important the love I have
> > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > my daughters (and theirs for me) is in my life. And my love for my
> > > > > > > parents (even if my relationship with my father was characterised
> > > > > > > by
> > > > > > > tension for many years). I feel very privileged in this regard,
> > > > > > > as I
> > > > > > > know that being able to see one's experience of family (even
> > > > > > > "broken"
> > > > > > > family in the case of my ex-wife and our children) as positive is
> > > > > > > anything but inevitable - and should anyone question this, they
> > > > > > > should
> > > > > > > just go and read gruff's story. The older I get, the more I value
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > basic human unit of family as a source of dependable love (even if
> > > > > > > families can also be theatres of incredible hurt and cruelty) -
> > > > > > > something I certainly woudn't have said when I was in my early
> > > > > > > twenties.
>
> > > > > > > And then, there are also good friends, and brothers and sisters
> > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > Thinking about it, I live in a sea of love.
>
> > > > > > > ...
>
> > > > > > > "Amor vincit omnia" is not a phrase I would categorically affirm.
> > > > > > > Yet
> > > > > > > I can still say, yes, I believe in love.
>
> > > > > > > Francis
>
> > > > > > > On 30 Apr., 04:31, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >> And no,this isn't a wide open generic question. I'm not
> > > > > > >> interested in agape here, this is strictly for eros.
>
> > > > > > >> I'm a hopeless romantic and serial monogamist. I fall in love
> > > > > > >> hard and quickly if I find someone worthy of such, put my all
> > > > > > >> Into maintaining long term romantic relationships, despite my
> > > > > > >> personal challenges, and against all logic remain a believer in
> > > > > > >> the concept of a happily ever after relationship despite a
> > > > > > >> spotty relationship record and a generally rational to cynical
> > > > > > >> worldview on every other topic. Love is such a basic human
> > > > > > >> instinct to me.
>
> > > > > > >> Perspectives on Love vary drastically though, and I've heard a
> > > > > > >> surprisingly diverse number of them recently. So, I'm putting
> > > > > > >> the question out to each of you, not as a debate, but as an
> > > > > > >> invitation to expound what your perception of the nature of Love
> > > > > > >> is, in your life. There are no wrong answers, so have at it.-
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