it is not unfortunate at all...it doesnt matter to me what jesus said...i dont consider jesus to be god...he said some neat stuff...so did other people...but i would NEVER say to someone, 'noone shall come to the father but through me'... i find that sorta arrogant, even if it was true.
i do not associate religion with 'god', i associate it with man where it belongs. as far as 'the spirituality of fundamental christianity' is concerned, i am not even closely convinced that such an animal exists...when u listen to a fundamentalist the last thing that comes to mind is spirituality. if my words are capable of turning some off religion then their belief isnt very strong...on the other hand, since my negative slant on religion is accompanied by my joy of spiritual awareness, i really dont think i will be doing that much damage...maybe some good huh? On May 2, 7:52 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > I don't envy your up bringing and unfortunately what you experienced is > from the lack of knowledge of what Jesus taught and the problem that is > inherit to the trinitarian belief system where they make Jesus a God. > > I have to laugh E when you say your father never sinned, because in his > eyes he probably never did disobey the rules and regulations. But there in > lies the problem as I see it "sin" within christianity is what separates us > from God .. but now i want you to think about something. It would be a very > serious "sin" if your actions or teachings separate someone from God.. very > serious indeed . > > If I had to survive on the spirituality of fundamentalist christianity I > would have either died or wandered away long ago. In one of my experiences > years ago it was said "If you think you know it all there is more." That > has proven to be very true for me. > Allan > > > > On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 10:45 AM, e_space <[email protected]> wrote: > > > i was born the son of a very strict preacher man. my whole life was > > spent in church, even home life resembled church with daily bible > > reading, prayers, etc. i actually called my father 'god on earth' > > because i never saw him do anything that even closely resembled a sin, > > other than the harsh treatment we got for doing something wrong, but > > that was the english way, spare the rod, spoil the child. > > > i saw a lot of hypocritical activity in the church and found no > > comfort in the words of the bible. i rebelled. what i learned was that > > the 'path' to spiritual experience leads within. everything of any > > importance on the spiritual side happened for me just before sleep > > with eyes closed. of course, it takes a desire for this communication > > and i was constantly putting out the welcome mat for this activity. > > > people can look for the 'truth', answers to their religious or > > spiritual questions, etc by reading or listening to the words of > > others, where they will find nothing of substance from what i have > > experienced. i think we all have a spirit, its just a matter of > > digging the diamond out of the rough and starting to polish it...just > > my opinion here... > > > On May 2, 5:04 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Well Saul of tarsus (Paul is not an apostle as in the original sense as > > > having been with Jesus and knew him before his death. If Saul is an > > apostle > > > then so am I by the same right and I can assure you that I am not an > > > apostle. You are right unfortunately the teachings of christianity are > > > heavily based on the writings of Saul. > > > > It is sad the distortion of what Jesus had to say, but at least some of > > it > > > has been recorded. Even if it is not accurate and distorted by time and > > > transulation there comes many ideas that can be put to practical use in > > > developing some kind of spiritual life. > > > > My own view of Jesus (which is evolving) is that he is the Abbot of his > > > teachings and a small group of followers. widely spread out and often > > > unknown to other followers. It is meditation and thought about what I > > have > > > read that become the guiding principles. > > > > It has not been an easy life, but it is one that I am very proud of. > > Often > > > times I come up against teachings of the past that are difficult to > > > understand, yet though I feel that they must be discarded It can not be > > > done lightly. I know what Rosey is going through as Though I have been > > > chasing my beliefs longer than she has been alive. It is very nice to > > know > > > other are walking the path of searching.. > > > > My wife calls and I need to leave. > > > Allan > > > > On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 4:52 AM, Chris Jenkins < > > [email protected]>wrote: > > > > > I've found that most modern Christians draw the vast majority of their > > > > ideology from Paul, one of the worst apostles on whom to build a gospel > > of > > > > love and forgiveness, with a dash of Mosaic Law whenever it suits their > > > > political desires. Your approach to Gospel works well enough for me. > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > > From: Tinker <[email protected]> > > > > To: "\"Minds Eye\"" <[email protected]> > > > > Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 19:53:21 -0700 (PDT) > > > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: The Wrong Way > > > > > I was a stone cold atheist, anti-christian for sure, at a challenging > > > > time in my Life, a little new testament found me. It had all the words > > > > of Jesus in red. I read those red words over and over till I > > > > understood what the man was saying. Christianity ain't got a clue. > > > > > peace & love > > > > > On May 1, 10:36 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Both JC and Gautama asked that there be no religion based upon > > them... > > > > > > On May 1, 3:35 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > The man Jesus knew we are going the wrong way. He was all about > > trying > > > > > > to make a change. > > > > > > The religions are all basically built on 'good stuff', and worked > > in > > > > > > their circumstance for the purpose of unifying the people. > > > > > > I think Christianity is the only religion that actually had any > > > > > > devious element in its creation. The people Jesus was most > > disgusted > > > > > > with were the ones who created the religion that in no way > > represents > > > > > > the man as he was. > > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > On May 1, 4:57 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I know it was not directed at me,, and there are a great many > > > > christian > > > > > > > leaders that are nothing but shysters. That is very sad. Jesus is > > a > > > > truly > > > > > > > great spiritual leader. The only really good part about that is > > to > > > > those > > > > > > > shysters I am an absolute burn in hell heretic,, so I can not be > > all > > > > bad > > > > > > > > It is a shame because all faiths have there strong points and I > > > > believe each > > > > > > > person is born into the base of faith they need. You can not > > exclude > > > > the > > > > > > > faith of others because is thither the stones from the path of > > others > > > > that you > > > > > > > polish your own spiritual path. > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Tinker <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Allan, that comment was not directed at you, and I don't think > > it > > > > fits > > > > > > > > you at all. > > > > > > > > > I very much agree with your comment on the Christian leaders. > > I'd > > > > > > > > venture to say probably half of them are shysters who don't > > even > > > > > > > > believe in what they're selling. > > > > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > > > On May 1, 3:24 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Yes I know I am not very smart, but I was thinking (oops a > > very > > > > dangerous > > > > > > > > > situation) about something that Jesus was supposed to have > > said. > > > > > > > > > > If you want to be the leader you must be the servant of all.. > > > > > > > > > > That in away has puzzled me because though many of these > > leaders > > > > claim to > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > christians it seems by their actions that every one else is > > > > supposed to > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > their servant.. > > > > > > > > > > I am so confused. > > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 1:50 AM, Tinker <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I guess you ain't smart enough to make a comment :-) > > > > > > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 30, 8:32 pm, Justintruth <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Guess again. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 28, 7:22 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > My take on the Dali Lama crying when he was asked if > > there > > > > was an > > > > > > > > easy > > > > > > > > > > > > way to enlightenment sets the stage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dali cried because he knows that the way to > > enlightenment > > > > is too > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult, for enough of mankind to learn, and would > > never > > > > be able > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > bring about the transcendence that Buddhism seeks as > > its > > > > flavor of > > > > > > > > > > > > Unity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is it that all the great minds of our time and > > those of > > > > history > > > > > > > > > > > > all converge on the fact that the power for solving all > > of > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > problems of the world is within the mind of mankind, > > but > > > > none have > > > > > > > > > > > > been able to affect the ways of mankind to bring about > > any > > > > > > > > significant > > > > > > > > > > > > change? > > > > > > > > > > > > The power connection in the mind has many different > > > > descriptions of > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > and directions on how to access it. It can be simply a > > > > magnificent > > > > > > > > > > > > light and it can be Jesus in all his glory. And it is > > > > exactly what > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > is according to whoever is describing it. It is a real > > > > thing and > > > > > > > > > > > > that’s the description that is available from previous > > > > information > > > > > > > > > > > > that has been incorporated into the belief structure of > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is energy. It is indescribable. But it is such a > > > > wonderful thing > > > > > > > > > > > > that we have to describe it so we can claim it as ours. > > The > > > > method > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > description is metaphor, using that which is familiar > > to > > > > us. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a resource for the individual to connect with the > > > > collective > > > > > > > > > > > > intelligence. > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
