i have never been able to communicate about 'it' in an articulate way, because really it was neither a perception or an object and has no association with physical life. neat stuff but totally undescribable in human terms
On May 2, 12:03 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > In anything we perceive, there are two parts; the object, and our perception > of the object. Spiritualism is no different. Of course you perceive > spiritualism as reality, but in understanding it, and communicating about it, > you are applying human concepts and traits to it. Do you understand what I > mean? > > Rain exists. The word rain, and the concept of wet, are human creations to > understand and express our reality of interacting with rain. This is what I > mean. If you treat all philosophies as attempts to explain wet, you gain a > greater understanding of Rain as a human experience, or human reality, if you > will. > > > > [ Attached Message ]From:e_space <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\"" > <[email protected]>Date:Sat, 2 May 2009 08:26:50 -0700 > (PDT)Local:Sat, May 2 2009 11:26 amSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: The Wrong Way > > well...im not sure i agree with u that spirit is a human concept. i > dont believe it is a concept at all. to me its a reality, as my spirit > sought me out, i didnt go looking for it, although i put out the > welcome mat for visitation after having a few feelings that i could > not explain. > > i have never read the philosophy of others as i felt it could > bastardize my own philisophical growth. im really quite ignorant to > the writings of others as i have not read a book in 40 years if it > didnt have big pictures. my spiritual experiences have left me less > than thrilled with my base humanity. this sorta makes me a freak here > on earth, something that can be a bit hard to deal with if i didnt > have a rosey perspective of the future... > > On May 2, 10:55 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I think you may have missed Orn's point, E. Spiritualism is a human > > concept; humans have gender, and genderal trait constructs (all of dualism, > > for example), and thus in our search for and understanding of thing > > spiritual, genderal perception most certainly comes into play, if you are > > seeking a wholeness of understanding. If you've come to a place where you > > feel you don't need it, then wonderful! However, in exploring our own > > psyches, recognizing the genderal faces of God in the various philosophies > > gives us a path into recognizing our own male and female within. Even from > > a purely rationalist perspective, it's useful for analysis of our highly > > irrational subconscious. > > > [ Attached Message ]From:e_space <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\"" > > <[email protected]>Date:Sat, 2 May 2009 07:20:55 -0700 > > (PDT)Local:Sat, May 2 2009 10:20 amSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: The Wrong Way > > > as it pertains to spiritualism or 'god', im not the slightest bit > > convinced that gender has anything to do with it, in fact in my > > experience it has no relevance...but thanks for your thoughts ;-^) > > > On May 2, 9:59 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > When the action of severity arises, it becomes clear that the area in > > > discussion is ‘rules’…the notion of right/wrong. Such things are easy > > > to apply when seen through the not too subtle eye of fundamentalism. > > > Fundamentalism = fundamentalism. It is also easy to see how such an > > > unexamined view can turn to fanaticism. > > > Most spiritual paths would point out such basics. Neil does this on an > > > ongoing basis!...at least how the world should be … > > > > When it comes to philosophy, many of the historical greats were only > > > recorded by others. And, as to such explorations of things spiritual, > > > to know which pesher system to use when there is a written record can > > > become quite daunting. > > > > So, here we have the notion of conduct too…parental conduct, our own, > > > group behavior, leadership behavior etc. We all know the realm and > > > most at the very least have opinions. It is the gold at the center of > > > wise alchemical pesharim that is most difficult to find even though we > > > are always admonished to do so. > > > > Some say the path to spiritual experience leads within…I wonder how > > > else it could be? Also, most theologies say the same thing…including > > > Christianity. > > > > Words of others and substance has been admonished whereas I find words > > > to be wonderful mirrors. . . all the better to ‘Know thyself’ with. > > > > Also, the triune and a placement of JC as god has been addressed. From > > > what I have learned about this ancient notion found within many > > > philosophies non Christian too, it is a simple formula for the nature > > > of reality. There exists the One, the original father. There exists > > > the Mother…who reactively does an analysis and breaks the One into > > > components. There also is the Son (other family members/genders are > > > found within differing cultural iterations of the same theme too)…who > > > in most cases represents divine nature..our nature included > > > exemplifying how we too are and/or know a part of the divine too. So, > > > as this ancient cosmology…much older than JC points out, not only is > > > the Son an aspect of the divine, the Son, represented by us all is > > > too. No contradiction. > > > > On May 2, 5:35 am, e_space <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > it is not unfortunate at all...it doesnt matter to me what jesus > > > > said...i dont consider jesus to be god...he said some neat stuff...so > > > > did other people...but i would NEVER say to someone, 'noone shall come > > > > to the father but through me'... i find that sorta arrogant, even if > > > > it was true. > > > > > i do not associate religion with 'god', i associate it with man where > > > > it belongs. as far as 'the spirituality of fundamental christianity' > > > > is concerned, i am not even closely convinced that such an animal > > > > exists...when u listen to a fundamentalist the last thing that comes > > > > to mind is spirituality. > > > > > if my words are capable of turning some off religion then their belief > > > > isnt very strong...on the other hand, since my negative slant on > > > > religion is accompanied by my joy of spiritual awareness, i really > > > > dont think i will be doing that much damage...maybe some good huh? > > > > > On May 2, 7:52 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I don't envy your up bringing and unfortunately what you experienced > > > > > is > > > > > from the lack of knowledge of what Jesus taught and the problem > > > > > that is > > > > > inherit to the trinitarian belief system where they make Jesus a God. > > > > > > I have to laugh E when you say your father never sinned, because in > > > > > his > > > > > eyes he probably never did disobey the rules and regulations. But > > > > > there in > > > > > lies the problem as I see it "sin" within christianity is what > > > > > separates us > > > > > from God .. but now i want you to think about something. It would be > > > > > a very > > > > > serious "sin" if your actions or teachings separate someone from > > > > > God.. very > > > > > serious indeed . > > > > > > If I had to survive on the spirituality of fundamentalist > > > > > christianity I > > > > > would have either died or wandered away long ago. In one of my > > > > > experiences > > > > > years ago it was said "If you think you know it all there is more." > > > > > That > > > > > has proven to be very true for me. > > > > > Allan > > > > > > On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 10:45 AM, e_space <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > i was born the son of a very strict preacher man. my whole life was > > > > > > spent in church, even home life resembled church with daily bible > > > > > > reading, prayers, etc. i actually called my father 'god on earth' > > > > > > because i never saw him do anything that even closely resembled a > > > > > > sin, > > > > > > other than the harsh treatment we got for doing something wrong, but > > > > > > that was the english way, spare the rod, spoil the child. > > > > > > > i saw a lot of hypocritical activity in the church and found no > > > > > > comfort in the words of the bible. i rebelled. what i learned was > > > > > > that > > > > > > the 'path' to spiritual experience leads within. everything of any > > > > > > importance on the spiritual side happened for me just before sleep > > > > > > with eyes closed. of course, it takes a desire for this > > > > > > communication > > > > > > and i was constantly putting out the welcome mat for this activity. > > > > > > > people can look for the 'truth', answers to their religious or > > > > > > spiritual questions, etc by reading or listening to the words of > > > > > > others, where they will find nothing of substance from what i have > > > > > > experienced. i think we all have a spirit, its just a matter of > > > > > > digging the diamond out of the rough and starting to polish > > > > > > it...just > > > > > > my opinion here... > > > > > > > On May 2, 5:04 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Well Saul of tarsus (Paul is not an apostle as in the original > > > > > > > sense as > > > > > > > having been with Jesus and knew him before his death. If Saul is > > > > > > > an > > > > > > apostle > > > > > > > then so am I by the same right and I can assure you that I am not > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > apostle. You are right unfortunately the teachings of > > > > > > > christianity are > > > > > > > heavily based on the writings of Saul. > > > > > > > > It is sad the distortion of what Jesus had to say, but at least > > > > > > > some of > > > > > > it > > > > > > > has been recorded. Even if it is not accurate and distorted by > > > > > > > time and > > > > > > > transulation there comes many ideas that can be put to practical > > > > > > > use in > > > > > > > developing some kind of spiritual life. > > > > > > > > My own view of Jesus (which is evolving) is that he is the Abbot > > > > > > > of his > > > > > > > teachings and a small group of followers. widely spread out and > > > > > > > often > > > > > > > unknown to other followers. It is meditation and thought about > > > > > > > what I > > > > > > have > > > > > > > read that become the guiding principles. > > > > > > > > It has not been an easy life, but it is one that I am very proud > > > > > > > of. > > > > > > Often > > > > > > > times I come up against teachings of the past that are difficult > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > understand, yet though I feel that they must be discarded It can > > > > > > > not be > > > > > > > done lightly. I know what Rosey is going through as Though I have > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > chasing my beliefs longer than she has been alive. It is very > > > > > > > nice to > > > > > > know > > > > > > > other are walking the path of searching.. > > > > > > > > My wife calls and I need to leave. > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 4:52 AM, Chris Jenkins < > > > > > > [email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > I've found that most modern Christians draw the vast majority > > > > > > > > of their > > > > > > > > ideology from Paul, one of the worst apostles on whom to build > > > > > > > > a gospel > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > love and forgiveness, with a dash of Mosaic Law whenever it > > > > > > > > suits their > > > > > > > > political desires. Your approach to Gospel works well enough > > > > > > > > for me. > > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > > > > > > From: Tinker <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > To: "\"Minds Eye\"" > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
