well...im not sure i agree with u that spirit is a human concept. i dont believe it is a concept at all. to me its a reality, as my spirit sought me out, i didnt go looking for it, although i put out the welcome mat for visitation after having a few feelings that i could not explain.
i have never read the philosophy of others as i felt it could bastardize my own philisophical growth. im really quite ignorant to the writings of others as i have not read a book in 40 years if it didnt have big pictures. my spiritual experiences have left me less than thrilled with my base humanity. this sorta makes me a freak here on earth, something that can be a bit hard to deal with if i didnt have a rosey perspective of the future... On May 2, 10:55 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > I think you may have missed Orn's point, E. Spiritualism is a human concept; > humans have gender, and genderal trait constructs (all of dualism, for > example), and thus in our search for and understanding of thing spiritual, > genderal perception most certainly comes into play, if you are seeking a > wholeness of understanding. If you've come to a place where you feel you > don't need it, then wonderful! However, in exploring our own psyches, > recognizing the genderal faces of God in the various philosophies gives us a > path into recognizing our own male and female within. Even from a purely > rationalist perspective, it's useful for analysis of our highly irrational > subconscious. > > > > [ Attached Message ]From:e_space <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\"" > <[email protected]>Date:Sat, 2 May 2009 07:20:55 -0700 > (PDT)Local:Sat, May 2 2009 10:20 amSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: The Wrong Way > > as it pertains to spiritualism or 'god', im not the slightest bit > convinced that gender has anything to do with it, in fact in my > experience it has no relevance...but thanks for your thoughts ;-^) > > On May 2, 9:59 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > When the action of severity arises, it becomes clear that the area in > > discussion is ‘rules’…the notion of right/wrong. Such things are easy > > to apply when seen through the not too subtle eye of fundamentalism. > > Fundamentalism = fundamentalism. It is also easy to see how such an > > unexamined view can turn to fanaticism. > > Most spiritual paths would point out such basics. Neil does this on an > > ongoing basis!...at least how the world should be … > > > When it comes to philosophy, many of the historical greats were only > > recorded by others. And, as to such explorations of things spiritual, > > to know which pesher system to use when there is a written record can > > become quite daunting. > > > So, here we have the notion of conduct too…parental conduct, our own, > > group behavior, leadership behavior etc. We all know the realm and > > most at the very least have opinions. It is the gold at the center of > > wise alchemical pesharim that is most difficult to find even though we > > are always admonished to do so. > > > Some say the path to spiritual experience leads within…I wonder how > > else it could be? Also, most theologies say the same thing…including > > Christianity. > > > Words of others and substance has been admonished whereas I find words > > to be wonderful mirrors. . . all the better to ‘Know thyself’ with. > > > Also, the triune and a placement of JC as god has been addressed. From > > what I have learned about this ancient notion found within many > > philosophies non Christian too, it is a simple formula for the nature > > of reality. There exists the One, the original father. There exists > > the Mother…who reactively does an analysis and breaks the One into > > components. There also is the Son (other family members/genders are > > found within differing cultural iterations of the same theme too)…who > > in most cases represents divine nature..our nature included > > exemplifying how we too are and/or know a part of the divine too. So, > > as this ancient cosmology…much older than JC points out, not only is > > the Son an aspect of the divine, the Son, represented by us all is > > too. No contradiction. > > > On May 2, 5:35 am, e_space <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > it is not unfortunate at all...it doesnt matter to me what jesus > > > said...i dont consider jesus to be god...he said some neat stuff...so > > > did other people...but i would NEVER say to someone, 'noone shall come > > > to the father but through me'... i find that sorta arrogant, even if > > > it was true. > > > > i do not associate religion with 'god', i associate it with man where > > > it belongs. as far as 'the spirituality of fundamental christianity' > > > is concerned, i am not even closely convinced that such an animal > > > exists...when u listen to a fundamentalist the last thing that comes > > > to mind is spirituality. > > > > if my words are capable of turning some off religion then their belief > > > isnt very strong...on the other hand, since my negative slant on > > > religion is accompanied by my joy of spiritual awareness, i really > > > dont think i will be doing that much damage...maybe some good huh? > > > > On May 2, 7:52 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I don't envy your up bringing and unfortunately what you experienced is > > > > from the lack of knowledge of what Jesus taught and the problem > > > > that is > > > > inherit to the trinitarian belief system where they make Jesus a God. > > > > > I have to laugh E when you say your father never sinned, because in > > > > his > > > > eyes he probably never did disobey the rules and regulations. But > > > > there in > > > > lies the problem as I see it "sin" within christianity is what > > > > separates us > > > > from God .. but now i want you to think about something. It would be a > > > > very > > > > serious "sin" if your actions or teachings separate someone from God.. > > > > very > > > > serious indeed . > > > > > If I had to survive on the spirituality of fundamentalist christianity I > > > > would have either died or wandered away long ago. In one of my > > > > experiences > > > > years ago it was said "If you think you know it all there is more." > > > > That > > > > has proven to be very true for me. > > > > Allan > > > > > On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 10:45 AM, e_space <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > i was born the son of a very strict preacher man. my whole life was > > > > > spent in church, even home life resembled church with daily bible > > > > > reading, prayers, etc. i actually called my father 'god on earth' > > > > > because i never saw him do anything that even closely resembled a sin, > > > > > other than the harsh treatment we got for doing something wrong, but > > > > > that was the english way, spare the rod, spoil the child. > > > > > > i saw a lot of hypocritical activity in the church and found no > > > > > comfort in the words of the bible. i rebelled. what i learned was that > > > > > the 'path' to spiritual experience leads within. everything of any > > > > > importance on the spiritual side happened for me just before sleep > > > > > with eyes closed. of course, it takes a desire for this communication > > > > > and i was constantly putting out the welcome mat for this activity. > > > > > > people can look for the 'truth', answers to their religious or > > > > > spiritual questions, etc by reading or listening to the words of > > > > > others, where they will find nothing of substance from what i have > > > > > experienced. i think we all have a spirit, its just a matter of > > > > > digging the diamond out of the rough and starting to polish it...just > > > > > my opinion here... > > > > > > On May 2, 5:04 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Well Saul of tarsus (Paul is not an apostle as in the original > > > > > > sense as > > > > > > having been with Jesus and knew him before his death. If Saul is an > > > > > apostle > > > > > > then so am I by the same right and I can assure you that I am not an > > > > > > apostle. You are right unfortunately the teachings of christianity > > > > > > are > > > > > > heavily based on the writings of Saul. > > > > > > > It is sad the distortion of what Jesus had to say, but at least > > > > > > some of > > > > > it > > > > > > has been recorded. Even if it is not accurate and distorted by > > > > > > time and > > > > > > transulation there comes many ideas that can be put to practical > > > > > > use in > > > > > > developing some kind of spiritual life. > > > > > > > My own view of Jesus (which is evolving) is that he is the Abbot of > > > > > > his > > > > > > teachings and a small group of followers. widely spread out and > > > > > > often > > > > > > unknown to other followers. It is meditation and thought about what > > > > > > I > > > > > have > > > > > > read that become the guiding principles. > > > > > > > It has not been an easy life, but it is one that I am very proud of. > > > > > Often > > > > > > times I come up against teachings of the past that are difficult to > > > > > > understand, yet though I feel that they must be discarded It can > > > > > > not be > > > > > > done lightly. I know what Rosey is going through as Though I have > > > > > > been > > > > > > chasing my beliefs longer than she has been alive. It is very nice > > > > > > to > > > > > know > > > > > > other are walking the path of searching.. > > > > > > > My wife calls and I need to leave. > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 4:52 AM, Chris Jenkins < > > > > > [email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > I've found that most modern Christians draw the vast majority of > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > ideology from Paul, one of the worst apostles on whom to build a > > > > > > > gospel > > > > > of > > > > > > > love and forgiveness, with a dash of Mosaic Law whenever it suits > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > political desires. Your approach to Gospel works well enough for > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > > > > > From: Tinker <[email protected]> > > > > > > > To: "\"Minds Eye\"" <[email protected]> > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 19:53:21 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: The Wrong Way > > > > > > > > I was a stone cold atheist, anti-christian for sure, at a > > > > > > > challenging > > > > > > > time in my Life, a little new testament found me. It had all the > > > > > > > words > > > > > > > of Jesus in red. I read those red words over and over till I > > > > > > > understood what the man was saying. Christianity ain't got a clue. > > > > > > > > peace & love > > > > > > > > On May 1, 10:36 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Both JC and Gautama asked that there be no religion based upon > > > > > them... > > > > > > > > > On May 1, 3:35 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The man Jesus knew we are going the wrong way. He was all > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > trying > > > > > > > > > to make a change. > > > > > > > > > The religions are all basically built on 'good stuff', and > > > > > > > > > worked > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > their circumstance for the purpose of unifying the people. > > > > > > > > > I think Christianity is the only religion that actually had > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > devious element in its creation. The people Jesus was most > > > > > disgusted > > > > > > > > > with were the ones who created the religion that in no way > > > > > represents > > > > > > > > > the man as he was. > > > > > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > > > > On May 1, 4:57 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I know it was not directed at me,, and there are a great > > > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > christian > > > > > > > > > > leaders that are nothing but shysters. That is very sad. > > > > > > > > > > Jesus is > > > > > a > > > > > > > truly > > > > > > > > > > great spiritual leader. The only really good part about > > > > > > > > > > that is > > > > > to > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > shysters I am an absolute burn in hell heretic,, so I can > > > > > > > > > > not be > > > > > all > > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > > > It is a shame because all faiths have there strong points > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
