Ya Mon!
On May 3, 7:00 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote:
> The only common element of all spiritual beliefs is, a Living human
> expressed them.
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> peace & Love
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> On May 3, 3:42 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > Nothing can be known without first being perceived...all of reality to
> > humans comes to us through our perceptions.
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> > [ Attached Message ]From:e_space <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\""
> > <[email protected]>Date:Sun, 3 May 2009 07:13:16 -0700
> > (PDT)Local:Sun, May 3 2009 10:13 amSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: The Wrong Way
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> > i guess if one considers perception as simple reality you are right.
> > in a situtation whre two people see the same thing and perceive it in
> > different ways, the word does not apply in this case. perception seems
> > to me to indicate a slant or opinion about some event or object, but
> > this could possibly be a misuse of the word by me.
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> > On May 2, 2:07 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > You would not know it had occurred if you had not perceived it, space.
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> > > [ Attached Message ]From:e_space <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\""
> > > <[email protected]>Date:Sat, 2 May 2009 09:35:30 -0700
> > > (PDT)Local:Sat, May 2 2009 12:35 pmSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: The Wrong Way
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> > > i have never been able to communicate about 'it' in an articulate way,
> > > because really it was neither a perception or an object and has no
> > > association with physical life. neat stuff but totally undescribable
> > > in human terms
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> > > On May 2, 12:03 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > In anything we perceive, there are two parts; the object, and our
> > > > perception of the object. Spiritualism is no different. Of course you
> > > > perceive spiritualism as reality, but in understanding it, and
> > > > communicating about it, you are applying human concepts and traits to
> > > > it. Do you understand what I mean?
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> > > > Rain exists. The word rain, and the concept of wet, are human creations
> > > > to understand and express our reality of interacting with rain. This is
> > > > what I mean. If you treat all philosophies as attempts to explain wet,
> > > > you gain a greater understanding of Rain as a human experience, or
> > > > human reality, if you will.
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> > > > [ Attached Message ]From:e_space <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds
> > > > Eye\"" <[email protected]>Date:Sat, 2 May 2009 08:26:50 -0700
> > > > (PDT)Local:Sat, May 2 2009 11:26 amSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: The Wrong
> > > > Way
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> > > > well...im not sure i agree with u that spirit is a human concept. i
> > > > dont believe it is a concept at all. to me its a reality, as my spirit
> > > > sought me out, i didnt go looking for it, although i put out the
> > > > welcome mat for visitation after having a few feelings that i could
> > > > not explain.
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> > > > i have never read the philosophy of others as i felt it could
> > > > bastardize my own philisophical growth. im really quite ignorant to
> > > > the writings of others as i have not read a book in 40 years if it
> > > > didnt have big pictures. my spiritual experiences have left me less
> > > > than thrilled with my base humanity. this sorta makes me a freak here
> > > > on earth, something that can be a bit hard to deal with if i didnt
> > > > have a rosey perspective of the future...
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> > > > On May 2, 10:55 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > > I think you may have missed Orn's point, E. Spiritualism is a human
> > > > > concept; humans have gender, and genderal trait constructs (all of
> > > > > dualism, for example), and thus in our search for and understanding
> > > > > of thing spiritual, genderal perception most certainly comes into
> > > > > play, if you are seeking a wholeness of understanding. If you've come
> > > > > to a place where you feel you don't need it, then wonderful! However,
> > > > > in exploring our own psyches, recognizing the genderal faces of God
> > > > > in the various philosophies gives us a path into recognizing our own
> > > > > male and female within. Even from a purely rationalist perspective,
> > > > > it's useful for analysis of our highly irrational subconscious.
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> > > > > [ Attached Message ]From:e_space <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds
> > > > > Eye\"" <[email protected]>Date:Sat, 2 May 2009 07:20:55
> > > > > -0700 (PDT)Local:Sat, May 2 2009 10:20 amSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: The
> > > > > Wrong Way
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> > > > > as it pertains to spiritualism or 'god', im not the slightest bit
> > > > > convinced that gender has anything to do with it, in fact in my
> > > > > experience it has no relevance...but thanks for your thoughts ;-^)
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> > > > > On May 2, 9:59 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > > > When the action of severity arises, it becomes clear that the area
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > discussion is ‘rules’…the notion of right/wrong. Such things are
> > > > > > easy
> > > > > > to apply when seen through the not too subtle eye of fundamentalism.
> > > > > > Fundamentalism = fundamentalism. It is also easy to see how such an
> > > > > > unexamined view can turn to fanaticism.
> > > > > > Most spiritual paths would point out such basics. Neil does this on
> > > > > > an
> > > > > > ongoing basis!...at least how the world should be …
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> > > > > > When it comes to philosophy, many of the historical greats were only
> > > > > > recorded by others. And, as to such explorations of things
> > > > > > spiritual,
> > > > > > to know which pesher system to use when there is a written record
> > > > > > can
> > > > > > become quite daunting.
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> > > > > > So, here we have the notion of conduct too…parental conduct, our
> > > > > > own,
> > > > > > group behavior, leadership behavior etc. We all know the realm and
> > > > > > most at the very least have opinions. It is the gold at the center
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > wise alchemical pesharim that is most difficult to find even though
> > > > > > we
> > > > > > are always admonished to do so.
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> > > > > > Some say the path to spiritual experience leads within…I wonder how
> > > > > > else it could be? Also, most theologies say the same thing…including
> > > > > > Christianity.
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> > > > > > Words of others and substance has been admonished whereas I find
> > > > > > words
> > > > > > to be wonderful mirrors. . . all the better to ‘Know thyself’ with.
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> > > > > > Also, the triune and a placement of JC as god has been addressed.
> > > > > > From
> > > > > > what I have learned about this ancient notion found within many
> > > > > > philosophies non Christian too, it is a simple formula for the
> > > > > > nature
> > > > > > of reality. There exists the One, the original father. There exists
> > > > > > the Mother…who reactively does an analysis and breaks the One into
> > > > > > components. There also is the Son (other family members/genders are
> > > > > > found within differing cultural iterations of the same theme
> > > > > > too)…who
> > > > > > in most cases represents divine nature..our nature included
> > > > > > exemplifying how we too are and/or know a part of the divine too.
> > > > > > So,
> > > > > > as this ancient cosmology…much older than JC points out, not only is
> > > > > > the Son an aspect of the divine, the Son, represented by us all is
> > > > > > too. No contradiction.
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> > > > > > On May 2, 5:35 am, e_space <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > > > > it is not unfortunate at all...it doesnt matter to me what jesus
> > > > > > > said...i dont consider jesus to be god...he said some neat
> > > > > > > stuff...so
> > > > > > > did other people...but i would NEVER say to someone, 'noone shall
> > > > > > > come
> > > > > > > to the father but through me'... i find that sorta arrogant, even
> > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > it was true.
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> > > > > > > i do not associate religion with 'god', i associate it with man
> > > > > > > where
> > > > > > > it belongs. as far as 'the spirituality of fundamental
> > > > > > > christianity'
> > > > > > > is concerned, i am not even closely convinced that such an animal
> > > > > > > exists...when u listen to a fundamentalist the last thing that
> > > > > > > comes
> > > > > > > to mind is spirituality.
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> > > > > > > if my words are capable of turning some off religion then their
> > > > > > > belief
> > > > > > > isnt very strong...on the other hand, since my negative slant on
> > > > > > > religion is accompanied by my joy of spiritual awareness, i really
> > > > > > > dont think i will be doing that much damage...maybe some good huh?
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> > > > > > > On May 2, 7:52 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > I don't envy your up bringing and unfortunately what you
> > > > > > > > experienced is
> > > > > > > > from the lack of knowledge of what Jesus taught and the
> > > > > > > > problem that is
> > > > > > > > inherit to the trinitarian belief system where they make Jesus
> > > > > > > > a God.
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> > > > > > > > I have to laugh E when you say your father never sinned,
> > > > > > > > because in his
> > > > > > > > eyes he probably never did disobey the rules and regulations.
> > > > > > > > But there in
> > > > > > > > lies the problem as I see it "sin" within christianity is what
> > > > > > > > separates us
> > > > > > > > from God .. but now i want you to think about something. It
> > > > > > > > would be a very
> > > > > > > > serious "sin" if your actions or teachings separate someone
> > > > > > > > from God.. very
> > > > > > > > serious indeed .
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> > > > > > > > If I had to survive on the spirituality of fundamentalist
> > > > > > > > christianity I
> > > > > > > > would have either died or wandered away long ago. In one of my
> > > > > > > > experiences
> > > > > > > > years ago it was said "If you think you know it all there is
> > > > > > > > more." That
> > > > > > > > has proven to be very true for me.
> > > > > > > > Allan
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> > > > > > > > On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 10:45 AM, e_space <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > i was born the son of a very strict preacher man. my whole
> > > > > > > > > life was
> > > > > > > > > spent in church, even home life resembled church with daily
> > > > > > > > > bible
> > > > > > > > > reading, prayers, etc. i actually called my father 'god on
> > > > > > > > > earth'
> > > > > > > > > because i never saw him do anything that even closely
> > > > > > > > > resembled a sin,
> > > > > > > > > other than the harsh treatment we got for doing something
> > > > > > > > > wrong, but
> > > > > > > > > that was the english way, spare the rod, spoil the child.
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> > > > > > > > > i saw a lot of hypocritical activity in the church and found
> > > > > > > > > no
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