Of course if one is looking for a collective mentality…it is already
here. If one isn’t aware of it, then yes, one most likely is
manifesting some of what you call negative aspects. This is why the
only way to this full unity is through full and totally transcendental
introspection. Until the psyche is clarified, the confusion, illusion,
hatreds, disillusionments etc. will be all that is seen.

On May 4, 9:41 pm, Rosey <[email protected]> wrote:
> I only stated the search because Tinker said we should ignore the
> negative aspects on the collective mentality post.  How can we achieve
> a collective mentality if we ignore such an important factor.
>
> On May 4, 11:57 pm, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > " A math problem can't be half-solved."
>
> > Now that, though I perfectly understand the sense, Rosey, is
> > debatable. Why can't the glass be perceived as half - full ?  The
> > perception pre - exists ;  it just requires one perceiver to own it !
>
> > I am saying that Tinker is well within his Right to Freedom To Search
> > For The Key, wherever !
>
> > I am only wary of his missionary zeal, the one which often makes
> > people go mad with rage or disappointment ( are you with us or
> > against ? why are you not on this ? ) because they cannot help
> > becoming emotionally judgemental or distraught.
>
> > I'm sure though, Tinker is better than that.
>
> > On May 5, 8:09 am, Rosey <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > My point in saying that men are evil was a generalization not towards
> > > a specific gender, but towards the idea that as long as negative
> > > aspects such as paranoia, jealousy and evil exist a collective
> > > mentality will be difficult to attain.  We can't change the way
> > > certain people think, but we can prosecute them for their wrongdoings
> > > or at least try.  In no way is evil excusable, but the same goes for
> > > in no way is evil avoidable.  We can offer the idea of kindness, we
> > > can try to instill it, but ultimately the id exists.  Some may be able
> > > to control their id and minimize it, while others will focus and
> > > expand on it.  Can we control that?
>
> > > A mother had two sons.  She raised each with the same care and
> > > upbringing.  She also taught them unconditional love, respect,
> > > spirituality and kindness.  However, one of the brothers raped and
> > > murdered women.  Why did he turn out this way?  An idea similar to
> > > what you call collective mentality was instilled into him, yet he
> > > deviated away from it and condemned himself to a life evil.  What
> > > happened?
>
> > > If your quest is to find a key, you need to explore all neighborhoods,
> > > you can't skip the slums and expect to find it.  You need to analyze
> > > everything from all angles, even the hard ones.  A math problem can't
> > > be half-solved.
>
> > > On May 4, 10:35 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > I can't help but remain focused on the introduction.  Rosey declared
> > > > that "men" are evil?  Is that "gender" specific or a generalization of
> > > > humanity?  I just can't see Rosey making such a statement.  Could you
> > > > provide me with a reference to such argument?  I guess I must have
> > > > missed that one.
>
> > > > On May 4, 4:58 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Evil.
> > > > > I’ve argued with Rosey about saying men are evil. It’s too easy an
> > > > > excuse to go kill somebody.
>
> > > > > What I do think is Evil is a product of man, not some devious force or
> > > > > that born in sin crap.
>
> > > > > The actions of men, the ‘Way it is Now’ in Society allows for the
> > > > > creation of an entity of Evil. Oppressive government and corporate
> > > > > greed are two examples of Evil that is simply the product of man.
> > > > > I know there are a lot of people who would read that and say, “Yea,
> > > > > I’m glad I live in the U.S.”; I hang my head and cry. Government is
> > > > > the many headed beast of Revelations and the U.S. is the main brain.
>
> > > > > I believe it safe to say that 90% of the people in the U.S. (probably
> > > > > more in the rest of the world) are good humanitarian people.
> > > > > Today, how many innocent people will die at the hands of U.S. forces,
> > > > > hundreds, maybe a thousand or more? I know we only hear about those
> > > > > that they are not able to keep hidden from the media.
> > > > >  Although the people don’t condone the action they are the support of
> > > > > the system. This is the manifestation of Evil as the product of man.
>
> > > > > Why?, because we are going the ‘Wrong Way’.
> > > > > To turn inward is wonderful and fine for the self improvement of the
> > > > > individual. That it allows escapism from reality, the results of our
> > > > > supportive action, and allows for the Evil to be done in our name, is
> > > > > Wrong.
> > > > > “I’m improving myself; it’s all I can do; it’s not my fault.” No
> > > > > fault, it is the ‘Way’ of Society that we need to change.
>
> > > > > I believe the power we access by turning inward, to improve ourselves,
> > > > > must be recognized in another way to improve the lot of mankind and
> > > > > stop our creating Evil.
> > > > > We turn in to access our higher power, collective intelligence or
> > > > > whichever of hundreds of different explanations we choose for the one
> > > > > thing on Earth that all of mankind have in common.
> > > > > Me Me Mine! It’s my personal spirit! It’s my Love! No, it’s Brahman!
> > > > > Oh you fools, it’s the spirit of Jesus Christ! You mystical muff
> > > > > heads, it’s nothing but a funny feeling caused by our subconscious.
>
> > > > > It is a ‘thing’ in our mind. Until we develop a common recognition of
> > > > > ‘it’, we will continue to spawn Evil.
>
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