Hey Slip, Meh I didn't bother with re-phrasing my text, as I know we are all intelegent enough here to refer back a few post for the context of the discussion, plus I'm quite lazy and so if I can get away with it, I'll type as little as I can to get the point across(one of my many failings, yeah I know, I know).
Yes of course what you are talking about may take a great many years, and offten when I discuss such things I have the word centuries in my head. Even so I think you may have missed my point ever so slightly. I'm not talking about being unable to change, but rather the unwillingness to look at ones-self in a rational way, to find what needs to be changed, and then activly wanting to change that aspect of your personality. I'm like that, I always have been, don't know why(although I offten speculate), but brother and infact all of my siblings(and there are many) just are not this way inclined. I'd like to belive as you do, and your examples are evidently true. However one aspect of humanity has not changed for as long as we have been here. We fight each other, for land, for wealth, for power, just for the hell of it, even now in this quiet enlightend times, I really can't see that changing sometime soon, not without a major catlyist, maybe some other space power invading the earth. On 1 May, 23:09, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > If you are happy in your bigotry(which we know is a function of > ignorance) then how can you change? <<<Lee > > Lee, being that you are speaking about your brother, you should phrase > the sentence in that person so it doesn't appear as though I am a > biggot. Such as>>If he is happy with his bigotry (which we know is a > function of ignorance) then how can he change? Thank you! > > Now to address your brother Kevin's bigotry. You are implying that > because he is happy with his bigotry he is incapable of change. > Perhaps he is happy "now" but who knows in 5-15 years? > > Secondly not everyone is going to be singing the same hymn sheet! The > collective ideal is not robotic or choreographed but serves to > provide a mutual understanding for all for the benefit of all. In a > crude way I would have to say that having "toilets" is the result of > collective mentality. Don't you get it? Everyone understands, > "collectively", that flushing is better than just dumping in the yard! > > Go out and ask everyone you know and everyone you meet if they would > rather live in a world of peace and see if you can find someone that > prefers to live in a world of horror and atrocity. I think the answer > is easy. Even if you come up with one moron the percentages will > speak the truth. > > That is the simple version of the collective and I think the problem > that everyone is experiencing in this and the collective mentality > thread is that people are trying to jump to the end result immediately > while bypassing the "process stages". > > It is just like those who thought flying to the moon was impossible. > They couldn't see the "process" by which that feat was accomplished. > They looked around and made an assessment based on the technology that > was available. They couldn't see the technological advancements that > took place between their pessimistic assessment and the actual > accomplishment. > > You and others perceive the collective as something that people just > talk about overnight that instantaneously transpires from a dream to > reality. It could take 500 years to actually come about but the fact > is that it "Can". Simple examination of the past 1000 years of human > history will show that what is happening today was at one time a pipe > dream that people scoffed at and made jokes about. > > On May 1, 10:43 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Indeed, I think the point I'm making is simply this. > > > Not all the world is ready to start singing from the same hym sheet, > > and I do not belive we shall ever be in such a place. > > > People can change ohh yes we can, but without the where-with-all from > > the individual to want this change, then no, no they just ownt do it. > > > If you are happy in your bigotry(which we know is a function of > > ignorance) then how can you change? > > > On 1 May, 16:31, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Bigotry can and has been overcome, simply a matter of attitude > > > adjustment. It is not the insurmountable obstacle to progressive > > > thinking. > > > > On May 1, 10:24 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Ahhhh but then I did not mention his bigotry, which he retains from > > > > the training of our youth. > > > > > On 1 May, 15:45, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Perhaps he is already on board! If you really look at his contentment > > > > > and non interference with the world you can see that he is already > > > > > part of the solution! > > > > > > On May 1, 5:24 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > In answer to your question I'm going to go with my tried and tested > > > > > > "because people are differant" > > > > > > > I have many siblings, but let me concentrate on the one closest to > > > > > > me, > > > > > > my lil brother Kevin(and I'm sure he won't mind me using him as an > > > > > > example). > > > > > > > I sometimes envy Kevin, only sometims though, and what I envy is his > > > > > > ability to go through life without giving the most cursury of > > > > > > thought > > > > > > to any aspect of life other than how much money he has, and where > > > > > > his > > > > > > next beer is coming from. > > > > > > > Not for him the sole searching the quest for answers to some of > > > > > > life's > > > > > > more philosophical problems, as long as he is fine, and his spoue > > > > > > and > > > > > > his kids, then he really has no worries. World peace, meh! fair > > > > > > treatement for all, meh! and honest upfront goverement that works > > > > > > for > > > > > > the benifiet of all of it's citizerns, meh! > > > > > > > Okay it means that when we get together(and we do a lot) then the > > > > > > talk > > > > > > is confined to 'bloke' chat. Kevin is not the only one who see's no > > > > > > worth nor merit in deeper thought. We just won't get every > > > > > > individual > > > > > > on board, nope it'll never happen. > > > > > > > On 29 Apr, 00:22, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > My take on the Dali Lama crying when he was asked if there was an > > > > > > > easy > > > > > > > way to enlightenment sets the stage. > > > > > > > > Dali cried because he knows that the way to enlightenment is too > > > > > > > difficult, for enough of mankind to learn, and would never be > > > > > > > able to > > > > > > > bring about the transcendence that Buddhism seeks as its flavor of > > > > > > > Unity. > > > > > > > > Why is it that all the great minds of our time and those of > > > > > > > history > > > > > > > all converge on the fact that the power for solving all of the > > > > > > > problems of the world is within the mind of mankind, but none have > > > > > > > been able to affect the ways of mankind to bring about any > > > > > > > significant > > > > > > > change? > > > > > > > The power connection in the mind has many different descriptions > > > > > > > of it > > > > > > > and directions on how to access it. It can be simply a magnificent > > > > > > > light and it can be Jesus in all his glory. And it is exactly > > > > > > > what it > > > > > > > is according to whoever is describing it. It is a real thing and > > > > > > > that’s the description that is available from previous information > > > > > > > that has been incorporated into the belief structure of the > > > > > > > individual. > > > > > > > It is energy. It is indescribable. But it is such a wonderful > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > that we have to describe it so we can claim it as ours. The > > > > > > > method of > > > > > > > description is metaphor, using that which is familiar to us. > > > > > > > It is a resource for the individual to connect with the collective > > > > > > > intelligence. > > > > > > > When we connect with it we get a personal charge, it is a personal > > > > > > > thing, the opposite of a Unity thing. > > > > > > > We have gone to it (possibly only subconsciously), identified it > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > made it our personal knowing and understanding justifier, > > > > > > > establishing > > > > > > > our personal religion. 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