My granddaughter attends the Waldorf in California but I'm still not sure if it is the best thing, but I'm not the parent. I thought it was too confining, restrictive and isolative, which, for me, adds up to mind control. Steiner's anthroposophy concepts alienate the external world which must come about later. Shouldn't we address the sensory experiences and put them into perspective instead of ignoring them as if they don't exist? To me it is the same as duping children with concepts of santa clause.
On May 10, 11:10 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > Rudolph Steiner, I think, did a good job of considering the notion, > although some of his ideas are considered far fetched and often > discounted. The Waldorf school, however, lives on! Carl Jung also, > as he considered the collective unconscious to be a function of soul > (at least in his memoirs.) I feel the notion to be true, down to my > very soul, although discussing it is a very abstract proposition. > > On May 10, 11:53 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > We can have and individual soul but we still have the free will to > > enhance or damage it. I can't see the collective soul, to what > > purpose would it serve for individuals in a individualistic world? If > > it were so, then much of the collective would be rotten, like a huge > > portion of an apple. There is much to consider when pondering such > > concepts. > > > On May 10, 10:05 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I think that there is a collective mentality or even a collective soul > > > that evolves as we evolve individually. But I do not think it is > > > something we can manipulate or force to move one way or another. We > > > can sell more Pepsi with a good marketing campaign and our collective > > > mentality can include the archetype of a good sweet drink, but what > > > that drink is for each of us is what we make of it by choice, and > > > those differences make the variety of life enjoyable. Or not. Your > > > choice. > > > > On May 9, 10:12 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I had once actually but what I'm getting at is you should make up your > > > > mind. Is it the life force or God? > > > > Its the connotative relevance issue. > > > > > On May 9, 4:59 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > You ain't never met him either? > > > > > I wonder if that picture Mike Angelo drew on the ceiling wasn't > > > > > real :-) > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > On May 9, 5:33 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > God? > > > > > > > On May 9, 9:49 am, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Soul Pool Dipper? > > > > > > > > Do you think God uses his hand to dip out the Life juice to > > > > > > > individuals? :-) > > > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > > On May 9, 9:39 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Oops, you left out something........ > > > > > > > > > This is the idea you present that I refer to as religious 'type' > > > > > > > > teaching. <<<Tinker > > > > > > > > > The "idea that I present" where? > > > > > > > > > Soul Pool Dipper? > > > > > > > > > On May 9, 8:33 am, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > " Why was I born with a multitude of talent and not my > > > > > > > > > brother?" > > > > > > > > > > Because you got a soul pool dipper full of talent? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > The other thing where we diverge is that you believe > > > > > > > > > > > mankind can be > > > > > > > > > > > taught or will learn to come together by the means of > > > > > > > > > > > religious (type) > > > > > > > > > > > teaching/learning of the right way to behave.<<<Tinker > > > > > > > > > > > I haven't a clue where you get that idea but considering > > > > > > > > > > its vagueness > > > > > > > > > > you will have to explain further. > > > > > > > > > > This is the idea you present that I refer to as religious > > > > > > > > > 'type' > > > > > > > > > teaching. > > > > > > > > > > However, in general conversation when topic leans, one might > > > > > > > > > begin to > > > > > > > > > > > share the ideal. I change the people around me by > > > > > > > > > > "example" and they > > > > > > > > > > change others with their change and so there is a > > > > > > > > > > ramification of > > > > > > > > > > change. > > > > > > > > > > Well how would you go about accomplishing the "common > > > > > > > > > > understanding"? > > > > > > > > > > With a universal symbol that points at the connection in our > > > > > > > > > mind, to > > > > > > > > > our higher power, which is common to mankind. > > > > > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > > > > On May 8, 10:30 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On May 8, 7:35 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > We do have a whole lot of common understanding, and the > > > > > > > > > > > same basic > > > > > > > > > > > goal in mind. > > > > > > > > > > > One difference we have is that you think the spirit/soul > > > > > > > > > > > is other than > > > > > > > > > > > and/or beyond Life, ego/self in tow. I think it is an > > > > > > > > > > > extension 'of' > > > > > > > > > > > Life, and when the Life ceases the life force returns to > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > 'collective life force' free of any ego/self. And that > > > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > absolutely no difference in the idea I'm > > > > > > > > > > > presenting.<<<Tinker > > > > > > > > > > > This is our difference, and one that has been covered in > > > > > > > > > > many other > > > > > > > > > > posts. I feel the soul is unique to the individual and > > > > > > > > > > does not > > > > > > > > > > return to some "soul pool". When life ceases the Spirit > > > > > > > > > > ceases but > > > > > > > > > > the Soul continues on, retaining human qualities. The > > > > > > > > > > experiences of > > > > > > > > > > de javu, past life regressions and dreams of previous life > > > > > > > > > > experiences, for me, all point to the soul experiences, now > > > > > > > > > > and in the > > > > > > > > > > past. If my soul was new in 1200 BC then I would have a > > > > > > > > > > great deal of > > > > > > > > > > wisdom at birth through now, as some people exhibit. If it > > > > > > > > > > is as you > > > > > > > > > > say, what determines the issuance of talents, intelligence, > > > > > > > > > > skills > > > > > > > > > > etc, it seems like a wild card and inconsistent with your > > > > > > > > > > assertion>>"There is a purpose to Life though. It is for > > > > > > > > > > progress of > > > > > > > > > > the intelligence that is the Life force." (may 6 in what's > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > point) > > > > > > > > > > I would rather think that Einstein's soul exists today in > > > > > > > > > > the form of > > > > > > > > > > a young brilliant physicist or scientist somewhere on the > > > > > > > > > > planet or > > > > > > > > > > parallel universe and not that his soul became part of a > > > > > > > > > > great ocean > > > > > > > > > > of energy. Why was I born with a multitude of talent and > > > > > > > > > > not my > > > > > > > > > > brother? > > > > > > > > > > > > The other thing where we diverge is that you believe > > > > > > > > > > > mankind can be > > > > > > > > > > > taught or will learn to come together by the means of > > > > > > > > > > > religious (type) > > > > > > > > > > > teaching/learning of the right way to behave.<<<Tinker > > > > > > > > > > > I haven't a clue where you get that idea but considering > > > > > > > > > > its vagueness > > > > > > > > > > you will have to explain further. > > > > > > > > > > > > The way of Society can be changed with a simple > > > > > > > > > > > mechanical switch.<<<Tinker > > > > > > > > > > > Mechanical Switch? Your getting really hazy! Are you > > > > > > > > > > talking > > > > > > > > > > eugenics? How would you change people like > > > > > > > > > > this>>>http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,519548,00.html > > > > > > > > > > > > That switch would be the common understanding of the > > > > > > > > > > > source of our > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual connection in the mind, recognized as mankind's > > > > > > > > > > > common link.<<<Tinker > > > > > > > > > > > Well how would you go about accomplishing the "common > > > > > > > > > > understanding"? > > > > > > > > > > By what method would you get people to recognize humanity's > > > > > > > > > > common > > > > > > > > > > link? > > > > > > > > > > Preaching? Teaching? Lecturing? U Tubing? TV ads? Flyers, > > > > > > > > > > posters, > > > > > > > > > > bumber stickers? Minds Eye? > > > > > > > > > > How would you go about it? > > > > > > > > > > > > "That I know what I'm talking about", was a part of > > > > > > > > > > > several things > > > > > > > > > > > forming a concept. I was asking you to suspend your > > > > > > > > > > > beliefs for a > > > > > > > > > > > moment and consider my point of view. <<<Tinker > > > > > > > > > > > It still remains the same, you are forming a concept from > > > > > > > > > > several > > > > > > > > > > things you believe and projecting it as new. > > > > > > > > > > I don't have any real beliefs, they are just ideas, > > > > > > > > > > thoughts, concepts > > > > > > > > > > derived from personal experience and equally challenged by > > > > > > > > > > others as > > > > > > > > > > are all the other ideas and concepts. That is why I always > > > > > > > > > > say "I > > > > > > > > > > think". > > > > > > > > > > > >I am 'trying to show you the way' we Can change the way of > > > > > > > > > > >Society > > > > > > > > > > > 'Now', and that is not by the methods of > > > > > > > > > > > selling/preaching/teaching. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for working with me brother, I Love you.<<<Tinker > > > > > > > > > > > You don't have to thank me for anything. I've never > > > > > > > > > > implied or > > > > > > > > > > inferred that we can change people by selling, preaching or > > > > > > > > > > teaching. > > > > > > > > > > However, in general conversation when topic leans, one > > > > > > > > > > might begin to > > > > > > > > > > share the ideal. I change the people around me by > > > > > > > > > > "example" and they > > > > > > > > > > change others with their change and so there is a > > > > > > > > > > ramification of > > > > > > > > > > change. 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