Because it IS! On May 12, 10:30 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > I believe the question could be rephrased as, 'Why do you think a rock has > life?' > > > > [ Attached Message ]From:Molly Brogan <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds > Eye\"" <[email protected]>Date:Tue, 12 May 2009 07:17:08 -0700 > (PDT)Local:Tues, May 12 2009 10:17 amSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: Is the Dream > Dead? > > All life is sacred (spiritual energy) and IS. You might as well be > asking why life? > > On May 12, 4:32 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Vam I am not disagreeing with you ,, but my question has arisen "Why does a > > rock contain spiritual energy?" > > Allan > > > On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 6:05 AM, Vamadevananda <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > There are two observations I wish to contribute, SD, if I may. > > > > You are right about one belief vs another, and that too is a belief ! > > > And I do not say this tongue in cheek. > > > > But a belief isn't " just " a belief. The ' responsibility ' of > > > holding the belief is immediately upon us. So, if I believe the rock > > > is spiritual energy, it becomes encumbent that I ' see ' the spiritual > > > energy the rock is and ' know ' the truth value of my belief. If I do > > > happen to know that my belief is true, then I also know that the > > > contrary belief ( the rock is NOT spiritual energy ) is untrue, > > > regardless of how many people are holding that contrary belief. > > > Therefore, equating one belief to another, forgetting how beliefs are > > > ' rooted ' in individuals, seems facile. > > > > Secondly, without the " Why," how does one determine what change to > > > effect. Which leads to whims. However, I do see the importance of > > > action at whatever that is before us, even if what is before us is not > > > the " ultimate " we might be looking for. > > > > On May 12, 4:05 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Content is irrelevant, probability is equal in regard to the > > > > suppositional base of all religious beliefs. Without empirical > > > > evidence to establish validity of one belief over another the > > > > probability remains equal. Perhaps we can edit out 'ultimate truth' > > > > which seems to be the catalyst for the focus on belief content. > > > > So I can rephrase in saying "the probability of one belief being valid > > > > is equal to that of any other belief". > > > > > You think you are going to dissect commentary and take thoughts out of > > > > context in order to challenge them? > > > > You cut off "regardless of their existence" which was a reference to > > > > "beliefs". > > > > Nevertheless if you must. > > > > Summarizing suffering into a cause and effect aspect Is another belief > > > > Not a fact. There is not one religion, religious belief, spiritual > > > > movement, revered guru or any other "secret" that has alleviated > > > > suffering. So to believe that suffering is a product of a cause and > > > > effect event is essentially "another belief". Maybe I believe that > > > > suffering is the result of humanity's failure to achieve a collective > > > > mentality, simply another belief. It isn't even a non sequitor > > > > consideration as there is nothing that if following but each belief > > > > stands individually. Put the microscope away! > > > > > You don't see how I can believe that the criteria for validity is > > > > simply belief. Well that is not accurate because I don't believe the > > > > criteria for validity is simply belief and don't know why you gathered > > > > that from my statement, which is........"I just don't see that any > > > > belief is any more valid that any other belief, including my own." > > > > This is simple truth. You believe rocks have spiritual energy and I > > > > believe rocks contain good luck and gabby believes rocks make good > > > > paper weights, so what makes your belief more valid? > > > > > I say most problems have to to do with unhappiness because that is > > > > simple observation Justin, greedy people are unhappy with what they > > > > have and so need more, Madoff had millions but obviously he was > > > > unhappy with it. People that are unhappy with their sex life may > > > > resort to any deviation to fulfill that void in their happiness > > > > pocket. People that are unhappy with their finances may rob a store > > > > or these days kill their family and then themselves. Now you should > > > > get out your magnifying glass and look for the unhappiness at the base > > > > of problems. > > > > > When I say "bypassing the Why" I purpose to address the here and now, > > > > the immediate. Why waste time wondering about the why of it when we > > > > can use that time to effect change. If we could bypass the why we > > > > could facilitate immediate change and the in reflection address the > > > > why. > > > -- > > ( > > ) > > I_D Allan > >
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