Vam I am not disagreeing with you ,, but my question has arisen "Why does a rock contain spiritual energy?" Allan
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 6:05 AM, Vamadevananda <[email protected]>wrote: > > There are two observations I wish to contribute, SD, if I may. > > You are right about one belief vs another, and that too is a belief ! > And I do not say this tongue in cheek. > > But a belief isn't " just " a belief. The ' responsibility ' of > holding the belief is immediately upon us. So, if I believe the rock > is spiritual energy, it becomes encumbent that I ' see ' the spiritual > energy the rock is and ' know ' the truth value of my belief. If I do > happen to know that my belief is true, then I also know that the > contrary belief ( the rock is NOT spiritual energy ) is untrue, > regardless of how many people are holding that contrary belief. > Therefore, equating one belief to another, forgetting how beliefs are > ' rooted ' in individuals, seems facile. > > Secondly, without the " Why," how does one determine what change to > effect. Which leads to whims. However, I do see the importance of > action at whatever that is before us, even if what is before us is not > the " ultimate " we might be looking for. > > On May 12, 4:05 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > Content is irrelevant, probability is equal in regard to the > > suppositional base of all religious beliefs. Without empirical > > evidence to establish validity of one belief over another the > > probability remains equal. Perhaps we can edit out 'ultimate truth' > > which seems to be the catalyst for the focus on belief content. > > So I can rephrase in saying "the probability of one belief being valid > > is equal to that of any other belief". > > > > You think you are going to dissect commentary and take thoughts out of > > context in order to challenge them? > > You cut off "regardless of their existence" which was a reference to > > "beliefs". > > Nevertheless if you must. > > Summarizing suffering into a cause and effect aspect Is another belief > > Not a fact. There is not one religion, religious belief, spiritual > > movement, revered guru or any other "secret" that has alleviated > > suffering. So to believe that suffering is a product of a cause and > > effect event is essentially "another belief". Maybe I believe that > > suffering is the result of humanity's failure to achieve a collective > > mentality, simply another belief. It isn't even a non sequitor > > consideration as there is nothing that if following but each belief > > stands individually. Put the microscope away! > > > > You don't see how I can believe that the criteria for validity is > > simply belief. Well that is not accurate because I don't believe the > > criteria for validity is simply belief and don't know why you gathered > > that from my statement, which is........"I just don't see that any > > belief is any more valid that any other belief, including my own." > > This is simple truth. You believe rocks have spiritual energy and I > > believe rocks contain good luck and gabby believes rocks make good > > paper weights, so what makes your belief more valid? > > > > I say most problems have to to do with unhappiness because that is > > simple observation Justin, greedy people are unhappy with what they > > have and so need more, Madoff had millions but obviously he was > > unhappy with it. People that are unhappy with their sex life may > > resort to any deviation to fulfill that void in their happiness > > pocket. People that are unhappy with their finances may rob a store > > or these days kill their family and then themselves. Now you should > > get out your magnifying glass and look for the unhappiness at the base > > of problems. > > > > When I say "bypassing the Why" I purpose to address the here and now, > > the immediate. Why waste time wondering about the why of it when we > > can use that time to effect change. If we could bypass the why we > > could facilitate immediate change and the in reflection address the > > why. > > > -- ( ) I_D Allan --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
