Naz! Are you Sufi? I'm thinking that there are a great many masks to be worn in that philosophy...some for wisdom, some for fun!
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 3:51 PM, sajida naz <[email protected]> wrote: > Molly this is nice, and this approach leads us to what sufi-ism or > spirituality is all about. So this also infers that we are our projection > not us! > This is strange to feel in the first place and to peel off the masks we are > wearing sure can lead us to our true pure self. > Regards, > > Sajida Naz > > > > > On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 8:44 PM, Molly Brogan <[email protected]>wrote: > >> >> good questions, Rosey, and the reason I included Websters unabridged >> definition of sincerity. The Zen tradition tells us we only have one >> original face, the face we had before our parents were born, our >> immortal face. To them, all other faces are masks. I tend toward a >> less elemental view. I think that at any given time, we have a core >> identity that includes our honest, wholehearted, real, true, unfeigned >> self and if we are not wearing a mask to ease the abrasion of social >> interaction, we are revealing our true self. I also think that those >> masks become so comfortable, that we can see them as our true self, >> repressing the parts of us disguised so that we don't feel the rub of >> our activity with the larger world. The trick, I think, is to peel >> all of those away and find a way to move through the world without the >> need of a mask. This introspection can be filled with layers and >> painfully intense, but can also be the exhilarating joy of self >> discovery. >> >> On May 12, 2:11 pm, Rosey <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Molly when you refer to the mask are you basing it simply on one's >> > interaction with others? This facade that we adorn ourselves with has >> > developed into an entity of its own. It's a compilation of socially >> > developed morals and acceptances that we have evolved into. At home >> > one tends to shed his mask but ever so slightly if he isn't alone. >> > What I mean by this is, the shedding happens in intervals. Some are >> > able to completely remove the mask as they feel comfortable enough >> > within themselves and others to do so. One such extreme archetype >> > could be masturbation (we are grown up here), some uncommonly do it in >> > front of others, while others will never reveal committing to such an >> > act, yet they succumb to it. However the mask can be quite >> > complicated. An example as such would be, adult film industry. They >> > say women engaged in such activities are being themselves, open with >> > sexuality, callous to what society considers moral. Yet these women >> > tend to wear the largest masks. As pretending to enjoy what they are >> > doing for monetary gain is the mask itself. Sexual implication was >> > not my intention (sigh...rolling my eyes), but it plays a key role. >> > >> > What really defines a person that is not wearing a mask? Are there >> > people that truly do not display such a falsehood? >> > >> > On May 12, 10:43 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > The Zen tradition would take us back to the concept of our original >> > > face: What is your original face before any ideas, images, feelings >> > > that you have been carrying like so much baggage? When investigating >> > > "What is your original face before parents were even born?" we are >> > > thrown back on our most primal, original self. Seeing this face in >> > > others is rare, knowing it in myself is easier. >> > >> > > Are any other faces sincere? Well, we can let webster define that >> > > (below) and it seems that if a face is presented as an honest >> > > expression of self, then yes: >> > >> > > 1 : marked by genuineness: as a : free of dissimulation : not >> > > hypocritical : REAL, TRUE, HONEST <the missionaries were prompted by a >> > > sincere desire for good -- Herman Melville> <was above all sincere and >> > > detested any form of pretense or affectation -- Terry de Valera> b >> > > (1) : free from adulteration : not mixed <to find and isolate Nazism >> > > in its pure sincere form proved extremely difficult -- J.C.Harsch> >> > > (2) : not containing any foreign element : PURE <wood is cheap and >> > > wine sincere outside the city gate -- Robert Browning> c : marked by >> > > truth : GENUINE <the only sincere glimpse that we get of the living >> > > breathing word-compelling Dante -- J.R.Lowell> d : motivated by a >> > > desire for meaningful expression <the emotional substratum which we >> > > feel to be inseparable from a truly great and sincere work of musical >> > > art -- Edward Sapir> >> > > 2 archaic : DEVOID <air sincere of ceremonious haze -- J.R.Lowell> >> > > 3 : characterized by firm belief in the validity of one's own opinions >> > > <an entirely sincere and cruel tyrant> >> > > synonyms WHOLEHEARTED, WHOLE-SOULED, HEARTFELT, HEARTY, UNFEIGNED: >> > > sincere suggests absence of hypocrisy, dissimulation, falsification, >> > > feigning, or embellishment and consequent honest genuineness <too >> > > sincere for dissimulation -- Ellen Glasgow> <individuals are >> > > considered sincere when there is little or no discrepancy between the >> > > goals they seek and those they claim to be seeking -- L.W.Doob> >> > > WHOLEHEARTED and WHOLE-SOULED stress lack of reservation or misgiving >> > > and may suggest devotion, zeal, and sincerity <writes himself down a >> > > frank and wholehearted Tory -- V.L.Parrington> <who could help liking >> > > her? her generous nature, her gift for appreciation, her wholehearted, >> > > fervid enthusiasm -- L.P.Smith> <men whose dedication to their country >> > > was whole-souled, nevertheless, and for whom the supreme frustration >> > > of personal ambition never deflected them away from public services of >> > > a monumental nature -- Eric Sevareid> HEARTFELT suggests a genuine >> > > stirring of innermost feelings and usually contrasts with formal, >> > > conventional, outwardly indicated, more or less factitious >> > > manifestation <our sympathy for you therefore is heartfelt, for we are >> > > sharing the same sufferings -- Sir Winston Churchill> <if ever men >> > > have offered heartfelt thanks to God for deliverance from the perils >> > > of the sea, surely we were those men -- C.B.Nordhoff & J.N.Hall> >> > > HEARTY may suggest vigorous manifestations like notable warmth and >> > > robust exuberance <infuriated elderly traveling salesmen were >> > > backslapped all day long by hearty and powerful unknown persons -- >> > > Sinclair Lewis> <a courtier's laugh, decorous, brief and not too >> > > hearty -- J.H.Wheelwright> UNFEIGNED may stress spontaneity and >> > > absence of simulation <I confess to unfeigned delight in the insurgent >> > > propaganda -- J.L.Lowes> >> > >> > > On May 12, 10:29 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> > > > I have to say, I think the use of 'mask' is at the root of that >> discomfort, because of the assumption of a false face. I wonder if 'faces' >> might be more accurate. As Lee noted, we have different faces for work and >> home...additionally, we have different fraces for friend, lover, >> parent...are any of them less than sincere? >> > >> > > > [ Attached Message ]From:Molly Brogan >> > > > <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds >> Eye\"" <[email protected]>Date:Tue, 12 May 2009 07:10:31 -0700 >> (PDT)Local:Tues, May 12 2009 10:10 amSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: The Finite >> Mask that Covers the Infinite >> > >> > > > Thanks, sajida, what do you think about masks? My thoughts until >> now >> > > > have been about how we use masks as self expression, either forming >> > > > personas with ego, or expressing what is repressed by stepping >> outside >> > > > our comfort zone with the aid of a (like rebel) persona. But gabby >> > > > brings up a new perspective. When others judge there to be a mask, >> > > > does it mean there is one? Communication is a two way street, and >> > > > understanding isn't always achieved. Can folks seem to be masked >> > > > because understanding isn't reached in the communication? >> > >> > > > On May 12, 8:01 am, sajida naz <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > > > Thanks Chris, Allan and in fact all of you. There is a very nice >> and >> > > > > informative discussion going on in the group. >> > >> > > > > Regards, >> > >> > > > > Naz >> > >> > > > > On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 6:59 PM, iam deheretic < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > > Welcome Naz >> > >> > > > > > I will wear a mask when I want to. It does have a whole lot to >> do with >> > > > > > spiritualiy and who we we are, simply because your spirituality >> whether you >> > > > > > are an athiest or of some other beliefs it still defines who >> you are and >> > > > > > yes masks are disguises. There have been times I use a mask to >> protect >> > > > > > another and that mask is used in kindness. >> > >> > > > > > Again welcome to the mad house known as Minds-Eye >> > > > > > Allan >> > >> > > > > > On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 4:40 PM, sajida naz < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > > > >> Hello, Am new here, but would like a say something to this >> discussion. >> > >> > > > > >> Mask is kind of disguise right, we are not what we pretend >> to.....has it >> > > > > >> sth to do with spirituality??? In my opinion, those who are not >> aware of >> > > > > >> their own existance and purpose, are wearing masks whether >> intentionally or >> > > > > >> unintentionally >> > >> > > > > >> Its just my opinion to your theme >> > >> > > > > >> -- >> > > > > >> Naz >> > > > > >> On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Molly Brogan < >> [email protected]>wrote: >> > >> > > > > >>> Joseph Campbell is probably our best known contemporary expert >> on the >> > > > > >>> subject of masks, and his work including his massive studies, >> Masks of >> > > > > >>> God and Masks of Eternity, offer his keen insight into our own >> > > > > >>> abilities to don a mask and uncover the masks we find. >> > >> > > > > >>> What is it about us that put on our masks? What about us >> creates the >> > > > > >>> need for one? When do we confuse our mask with who we really >> are? >> > > > > >>> When are masks useful and when do they become obstacles for >> us? >> > >> > > > > >>> I’m not talking about the functional, physical mask such as >> > > > > >>> theatrical, surgical, protect and disguise mask etc. I am >> talking >> > > > > >>> about the mask of persona, the way we pretend to be one way >> and are >> > > > > >>> really another. Politesse is a good example and can often be >> a >> > > > > >>> cultural custom. When our words and mannerisms are polite, >> but our >> > > > > >>> actions and innuendos aggressive, we are wearing a mask. When >> we >> > > > > >>> profess undying love as a means to an end, and walk away in >> the >> > > > > >>> morning light, we are wearing a mask. Sometimes, we lose >> sight of our >> > > > > >>> own masks and are confused about who we really are. Why? >> > >> > > > > >>> What do YOU think? >> > >> > > > > > -- >> > > > > > ( >> > > > > > ) >> > > > > > I_D Allan- Hide quoted text - >> > >> > > - Show quoted text - >> >> > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
