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On May 12, 1:29 pm, sajida naz <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Chris, No i am not a sufi. But you are right, true sufi ism does not > include mask of any sort. It is in fact a process of getting away from > archetypes and identifying ones true self :) > I am just a PhD student though :( and yet you are right, probably wisdom > itself is a type of mask.. But i am wondering how can we reach towards an > absolute definition of a mask, since something very real for me might be a > portrayal/mask for you!... > > read more » > > Regards, > > Sajida Naz > > On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Chris Jenkins > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > Naz! Are you Sufi? I'm thinking that there are a great many masks to be > > worn in that philosophy...some for wisdom, some for fun! > > > On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 3:51 PM, sajida naz <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> Molly this is nice, and this approach leads us to what sufi-ism or > >> spirituality is all about. So this also infers that we are our projection > >> not us! > >> This is strange to feel in the first place and to peel off the masks we > >> are wearing sure can lead us to our true pure self. > >> Regards, > > >> Sajida Naz > > >> On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 8:44 PM, Molly Brogan <[email protected]>wrote: > > >>> good questions, Rosey, and the reason I included Websters unabridged > >>> definition of sincerity. The Zen tradition tells us we only have one > >>> original face, the face we had before our parents were born, our > >>> immortal face. To them, all other faces are masks. I tend toward a > >>> less elemental view. I think that at any given time, we have a core > >>> identity that includes our honest, wholehearted, real, true, unfeigned > >>> self and if we are not wearing a mask to ease the abrasion of social > >>> interaction, we are revealing our true self. I also think that those > >>> masks become so comfortable, that we can see them as our true self, > >>> repressing the parts of us disguised so that we don't feel the rub of > >>> our activity with the larger world. The trick, I think, is to peel > >>> all of those away and find a way to move through the world without the > >>> need of a mask. This introspection can be filled with layers and > >>> painfully intense, but can also be the exhilarating joy of self > >>> discovery. > > >>> On May 12, 2:11 pm, Rosey <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > Molly when you refer to the mask are you basing it simply on one's > >>> > interaction with others? This facade that we adorn ourselves with has > >>> > developed into an entity of its own. It's a compilation of socially > >>> > developed morals and acceptances that we have evolved into. At home > >>> > one tends to shed his mask but ever so slightly if he isn't alone. > >>> > What I mean by this is, the shedding happens in intervals. Some are > >>> > able to completely remove the mask as they feel comfortable enough > >>> > within themselves and others to do so. One such extreme archetype > >>> > could be masturbation (we are grown up here), some uncommonly do it in > >>> > front of others, while others will never reveal committing to such an > >>> > act, yet they succumb to it. However the mask can be quite > >>> > complicated. An example as such would be, adult film industry. They > >>> > say women engaged in such activities are being themselves, open with > >>> > sexuality, callous to what society considers moral. Yet these women > >>> > tend to wear the largest masks. As pretending to enjoy what they are > >>> > doing for monetary gain is the mask itself. Sexual implication was > >>> > not my intention (sigh...rolling my eyes), but it plays a key role. > > >>> > What really defines a person that is not wearing a mask? Are there > >>> > people that truly do not display such a falsehood? > > >>> > On May 12, 10:43 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>> > > The Zen tradition would take us back to the concept of our original > >>> > > face: What is your original face before any ideas, images, feelings > >>> > > that you have been carrying like so much baggage? When investigating > >>> > > "What is your original face before parents were even born?" we are > >>> > > thrown back on our most primal, original self. Seeing this face in > >>> > > others is rare, knowing it in myself is easier. > > >>> > > Are any other faces sincere? Well, we can let webster define that > >>> > > (below) and it seems that if a face is presented as an honest > >>> > > expression of self, then yes: > > >>> > > 1 : marked by genuineness: as a : free of dissimulation : not > >>> > > hypocritical : REAL, TRUE, HONEST <the missionaries were prompted by > >>> a > >>> > > sincere desire for good -- Herman Melville> <was above all sincere > >>> and > >>> > > detested any form of pretense or affectation -- Terry de Valera> b > >>> > > (1) : free from adulteration : not mixed <to find and isolate Nazism > >>> > > in its pure sincere form proved extremely difficult -- J.C.Harsch> > >>> > > (2) : not containing any foreign element : PURE <wood is cheap and > >>> > > wine sincere outside the city gate -- Robert Browning> c : marked by > >>> > > truth : GENUINE <the only sincere glimpse that we get of the living > >>> > > breathing word-compelling Dante -- J.R.Lowell> d : motivated by a > >>> > > desire for meaningful expression <the emotional substratum which we > >>> > > feel to be inseparable from a truly great and sincere work of musical > >>> > > art -- Edward Sapir> > >>> > > 2 archaic : DEVOID <air sincere of ceremonious haze -- J.R.Lowell> > >>> > > 3 : characterized by firm belief in the validity of one's own > >>> opinions > >>> > > <an entirely sincere and cruel tyrant> > >>> > > synonyms WHOLEHEARTED, WHOLE-SOULED, HEARTFELT, HEARTY, UNFEIGNED: > >>> > > sincere suggests absence of hypocrisy, dissimulation, falsification, > >>> > > feigning, or embellishment and consequent honest genuineness <too > >>> > > sincere for dissimulation -- Ellen Glasgow> <individuals are > >>> > > considered sincere when there is little or no discrepancy between the > >>> > > goals they seek and those they claim to be seeking -- L.W.Doob> > >>> > > WHOLEHEARTED and WHOLE-SOULED stress lack of reservation or misgiving > >>> > > and may suggest devotion, zeal, and sincerity <writes himself down a > >>> > > frank and wholehearted Tory -- V.L.Parrington> <who could help liking > >>> > > her? her generous nature, her gift for appreciation, her > >>> wholehearted, > >>> > > fervid enthusiasm -- L.P.Smith> <men whose dedication to their > >>> country > >>> > > was whole-souled, nevertheless, and for whom the supreme frustration > >>> > > of personal ambition never deflected them away from public services > >>> of > >>> > > a monumental nature -- Eric Sevareid> HEARTFELT suggests a genuine > >>> > > stirring of innermost feelings and usually contrasts with formal, > >>> > > conventional, outwardly indicated, more or less factitious > >>> > > manifestation <our sympathy for you therefore is heartfelt, for we > >>> are > >>> > > sharing the same sufferings -- Sir Winston Churchill> <if ever men > >>> > > have offered heartfelt thanks to God for deliverance from the perils > >>> > > of the sea, surely we were those men -- C.B.Nordhoff & J.N.Hall> > >>> > > HEARTY may suggest vigorous manifestations like notable warmth and > >>> > > robust exuberance <infuriated elderly traveling salesmen were > >>> > > backslapped all day long by hearty and powerful unknown persons -- > >>> > > Sinclair Lewis> <a courtier's laugh, decorous, brief and not too > >>> > > hearty -- J.H.Wheelwright> UNFEIGNED may stress spontaneity and > >>> > > absence of simulation <I confess to unfeigned delight in the > >>> insurgent > >>> > > propaganda -- J.L.Lowes> > > >>> > > On May 12, 10:29 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> > >>> wrote: > > >>> > > > I have to say, I think the use of 'mask' is at the root of that > >>> discomfort, because of the assumption of a false face. I wonder if 'faces' > >>> might be more accurate. As Lee noted, we have different faces for work and > >>> home...additionally, we have different fraces for friend, lover, > >>> parent...are any of them less than sincere? > > >>> > > > [ Attached Message ]From:Molly Brogan > >>> > > > <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds > >>> Eye\"" <[email protected]>Date:Tue, 12 May 2009 07:10:31 -0700 > >>> (PDT)Local:Tues, May 12 2009 10:10 amSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: The Finite > >>> Mask that Covers the Infinite > > >>> > > > Thanks, sajida, what do you think about masks? My thoughts until > >>> now > >>> > > > have been about how we use masks as self expression, either forming > >>> > > > personas with ego, or expressing what is repressed by stepping > >>> outside > >>> > > > our comfort zone with the aid of a (like rebel) persona. But gabby > >>> > > > brings up a new perspective. When others judge there to be a mask, > >>> > > > does it mean there is one? Communication is a two way street, and > >>> > > > understanding isn't always achieved. Can folks seem to be masked > >>> > > > because understanding isn't reached in the communication? > > >>> > > > On May 12, 8:01 am, sajida naz <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>> > > > > Thanks Chris, Allan and in fact all of you. There is a very nice > >>> and > >>> > > > > informative discussion going on in the group. > > >>> > > > > Regards, > > >>> > > > > Naz > > >>> > > > > On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 6:59 PM, iam deheretic < > >>> [email protected]> wrote: > >>> > > > > > Welcome Naz > > >>> > > > > > I will wear a mask when I want to. It does have a whole lot to > >>> do with > >>> > > > > > spiritualiy and who we we are, simply because your spirituality > >>> whether you > >>> > > > > > are an athiest or of some other beliefs it still defines who > >>> you are and > >>> > > > > > yes masks are disguises. There have been times I use a mask to > >>> protect > >>> > > > > > another and that mask is used in kindness. > > >>> > > > > > Again welcome to the mad house known as Minds-Eye- Hide quoted > >>> > > > > > text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
