lolzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz very well post arnamentalminnd!! Very funny "genetically disposed to look heavier" this can act as a mask for the other but not for this poor animal :P -- Naz
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 11:31 PM, ornamentalmind <[email protected]>wrote: > > http://www.seattlepi.com/fun/Bizarro.asp?date=20090428 > mask? > > > On May 12, 1:29 pm, sajida naz <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Chris, No i am not a sufi. But you are right, true sufi ism does not > > include mask of any sort. It is in fact a process of getting away from > > archetypes and identifying ones true self :) > > I am just a PhD student though :( and yet you are right, probably wisdom > > itself is a type of mask.. But i am wondering how can we reach towards an > > absolute definition of a mask, since something very real for me might be > a > > portrayal/mask for you!... > > > > read more ยป > > > > Regards, > > > > Sajida Naz > > > > On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Chris Jenkins > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > Naz! Are you Sufi? I'm thinking that there are a great many masks to be > > > worn in that philosophy...some for wisdom, some for fun! > > > > > On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 3:51 PM, sajida naz <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > >> Molly this is nice, and this approach leads us to what sufi-ism or > > >> spirituality is all about. So this also infers that we are our > projection > > >> not us! > > >> This is strange to feel in the first place and to peel off the masks > we > > >> are wearing sure can lead us to our true pure self. > > >> Regards, > > > > >> Sajida Naz > > > > >> On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 8:44 PM, Molly Brogan <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > > >>> good questions, Rosey, and the reason I included Websters unabridged > > >>> definition of sincerity. The Zen tradition tells us we only have one > > >>> original face, the face we had before our parents were born, our > > >>> immortal face. To them, all other faces are masks. I tend toward a > > >>> less elemental view. I think that at any given time, we have a core > > >>> identity that includes our honest, wholehearted, real, true, > unfeigned > > >>> self and if we are not wearing a mask to ease the abrasion of social > > >>> interaction, we are revealing our true self. I also think that those > > >>> masks become so comfortable, that we can see them as our true self, > > >>> repressing the parts of us disguised so that we don't feel the rub of > > >>> our activity with the larger world. The trick, I think, is to peel > > >>> all of those away and find a way to move through the world without > the > > >>> need of a mask. This introspection can be filled with layers and > > >>> painfully intense, but can also be the exhilarating joy of self > > >>> discovery. > > > > >>> On May 12, 2:11 pm, Rosey <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>> > Molly when you refer to the mask are you basing it simply on one's > > >>> > interaction with others? This facade that we adorn ourselves with > has > > >>> > developed into an entity of its own. It's a compilation of > socially > > >>> > developed morals and acceptances that we have evolved into. At > home > > >>> > one tends to shed his mask but ever so slightly if he isn't alone. > > >>> > What I mean by this is, the shedding happens in intervals. Some > are > > >>> > able to completely remove the mask as they feel comfortable enough > > >>> > within themselves and others to do so. One such extreme archetype > > >>> > could be masturbation (we are grown up here), some uncommonly do it > in > > >>> > front of others, while others will never reveal committing to such > an > > >>> > act, yet they succumb to it. However the mask can be quite > > >>> > complicated. An example as such would be, adult film industry. > They > > >>> > say women engaged in such activities are being themselves, open > with > > >>> > sexuality, callous to what society considers moral. Yet these > women > > >>> > tend to wear the largest masks. As pretending to enjoy what they > are > > >>> > doing for monetary gain is the mask itself. Sexual implication was > > >>> > not my intention (sigh...rolling my eyes), but it plays a key > role. > > > > >>> > What really defines a person that is not wearing a mask? Are there > > >>> > people that truly do not display such a falsehood? > > > > >>> > On May 12, 10:43 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >>> > > The Zen tradition would take us back to the concept of our > original > > >>> > > face: What is your original face before any ideas, images, > feelings > > >>> > > that you have been carrying like so much baggage? When > investigating > > >>> > > "What is your original face before parents were even born?" we > are > > >>> > > thrown back on our most primal, original self. Seeing this face > in > > >>> > > others is rare, knowing it in myself is easier. > > > > >>> > > Are any other faces sincere? Well, we can let webster define > that > > >>> > > (below) and it seems that if a face is presented as an honest > > >>> > > expression of self, then yes: > > > > >>> > > 1 : marked by genuineness: as a : free of dissimulation : not > > >>> > > hypocritical : REAL, TRUE, HONEST <the missionaries were prompted > by > > >>> a > > >>> > > sincere desire for good -- Herman Melville> <was above all > sincere > > >>> and > > >>> > > detested any form of pretense or affectation -- Terry de Valera> > b > > >>> > > (1) : free from adulteration : not mixed <to find and isolate > Nazism > > >>> > > in its pure sincere form proved extremely difficult -- > J.C.Harsch> > > >>> > > (2) : not containing any foreign element : PURE <wood is cheap > and > > >>> > > wine sincere outside the city gate -- Robert Browning> c : marked > by > > >>> > > truth : GENUINE <the only sincere glimpse that we get of the > living > > >>> > > breathing word-compelling Dante -- J.R.Lowell> d : motivated by a > > >>> > > desire for meaningful expression <the emotional substratum which > we > > >>> > > feel to be inseparable from a truly great and sincere work of > musical > > >>> > > art -- Edward Sapir> > > >>> > > 2 archaic : DEVOID <air sincere of ceremonious haze -- > J.R.Lowell> > > >>> > > 3 : characterized by firm belief in the validity of one's own > > >>> opinions > > >>> > > <an entirely sincere and cruel tyrant> > > >>> > > synonyms WHOLEHEARTED, WHOLE-SOULED, HEARTFELT, HEARTY, > UNFEIGNED: > > >>> > > sincere suggests absence of hypocrisy, dissimulation, > falsification, > > >>> > > feigning, or embellishment and consequent honest genuineness <too > > >>> > > sincere for dissimulation -- Ellen Glasgow> <individuals are > > >>> > > considered sincere when there is little or no discrepancy between > the > > >>> > > goals they seek and those they claim to be seeking -- L.W.Doob> > > >>> > > WHOLEHEARTED and WHOLE-SOULED stress lack of reservation or > misgiving > > >>> > > and may suggest devotion, zeal, and sincerity <writes himself > down a > > >>> > > frank and wholehearted Tory -- V.L.Parrington> <who could help > liking > > >>> > > her? her generous nature, her gift for appreciation, her > > >>> wholehearted, > > >>> > > fervid enthusiasm -- L.P.Smith> <men whose dedication to their > > >>> country > > >>> > > was whole-souled, nevertheless, and for whom the supreme > frustration > > >>> > > of personal ambition never deflected them away from public > services > > >>> of > > >>> > > a monumental nature -- Eric Sevareid> HEARTFELT suggests a > genuine > > >>> > > stirring of innermost feelings and usually contrasts with formal, > > >>> > > conventional, outwardly indicated, more or less factitious > > >>> > > manifestation <our sympathy for you therefore is heartfelt, for > we > > >>> are > > >>> > > sharing the same sufferings -- Sir Winston Churchill> <if ever > men > > >>> > > have offered heartfelt thanks to God for deliverance from the > perils > > >>> > > of the sea, surely we were those men -- C.B.Nordhoff & J.N.Hall> > > >>> > > HEARTY may suggest vigorous manifestations like notable warmth > and > > >>> > > robust exuberance <infuriated elderly traveling salesmen were > > >>> > > backslapped all day long by hearty and powerful unknown persons > -- > > >>> > > Sinclair Lewis> <a courtier's laugh, decorous, brief and not too > > >>> > > hearty -- J.H.Wheelwright> UNFEIGNED may stress spontaneity and > > >>> > > absence of simulation <I confess to unfeigned delight in the > > >>> insurgent > > >>> > > propaganda -- J.L.Lowes> > > > > >>> > > On May 12, 10:29 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> > > >>> wrote: > > > > >>> > > > I have to say, I think the use of 'mask' is at the root of that > > >>> discomfort, because of the assumption of a false face. I wonder if > 'faces' > > >>> might be more accurate. As Lee noted, we have different faces for > work and > > >>> home...additionally, we have different fraces for friend, lover, > > >>> parent...are any of them less than sincere? > > > > >>> > > > [ Attached Message ]From:Molly Brogan <[email protected] > >To:"\"Minds > > >>> Eye\"" <[email protected]>Date:Tue, 12 May 2009 07:10:31 > -0700 > > >>> (PDT)Local:Tues, May 12 2009 10:10 amSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: The > Finite > > >>> Mask that Covers the Infinite > > > > >>> > > > Thanks, sajida, what do you think about masks? My thoughts > until > > >>> now > > >>> > > > have been about how we use masks as self expression, either > forming > > >>> > > > personas with ego, or expressing what is repressed by stepping > > >>> outside > > >>> > > > our comfort zone with the aid of a (like rebel) persona. But > gabby > > >>> > > > brings up a new perspective. When others judge there to be a > mask, > > >>> > > > does it mean there is one? Communication is a two way street, > and > > >>> > > > understanding isn't always achieved. Can folks seem to be > masked > > >>> > > > because understanding isn't reached in the communication? > > > > >>> > > > On May 12, 8:01 am, sajida naz <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > Thanks Chris, Allan and in fact all of you. There is a very > nice > > >>> and > > >>> > > > > informative discussion going on in the group. > > > > >>> > > > > Regards, > > > > >>> > > > > Naz > > > > >>> > > > > On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 6:59 PM, iam deheretic < > > >>> [email protected]> wrote: > > >>> > > > > > Welcome Naz > > > > >>> > > > > > I will wear a mask when I want to. It does have a whole lot > to > > >>> do with > > >>> > > > > > spiritualiy and who we we are, simply because your > spirituality > > >>> whether you > > >>> > > > > > are an athiest or of some other beliefs it still defines > who > > >>> you are and > > >>> > > > > > yes masks are disguises. There have been times I use a mask > to > > >>> protect > > >>> > > > > > another and that mask is used in kindness. > > > > >>> > > > > > Again welcome to the mad house known as Minds-Eye- Hide > quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
