I agree very strongly, about the action part.
On May 12, 2:32 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
> You are right about one belief vs another, and that too is a belief !
> <<Vam
> It is not a belief it is a fact, all beliefs are beliefs.
>
> Clearly any belief to the believer can be the ultimate truth for that
> believer, still, overall and in the context of all beliefs, that
> belief, like all others remains a belief, the truth portion of which,
> is subjective.
>
> To effect change one simply needs to see, as you say, what is before
> us, later we can engage analysis. That is one reason why homeless
> people are on the street. Too much time is being spent on the 'why is
> this happening'. The people are there, no home, no food or water,
> and what happens? They fix the banks!
>
> On May 11, 11:05 pm, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > There are two observations I wish to contribute, SD, if I may.
>
> > You are right about one belief vs another, and that too is a belief !
> > And I do not say this tongue in cheek.
>
> > But a belief isn't " just " a belief. The ' responsibility ' of
> > holding the belief is immediately upon us. So, if I believe the rock
> > is spiritual energy, it becomes encumbent that I ' see ' the spiritual
> > energy the rock is and ' know ' the truth value of my belief. If I do
> > happen to know that my belief is true, then I also know that the
> > contrary belief ( the rock is NOT spiritual energy ) is untrue,
> > regardless of how many people are holding that contrary belief.
> > Therefore, equating one belief to another, forgetting how beliefs are
> > ' rooted ' in individuals, seems facile.
>
> > Secondly, without the " Why," how does one determine what change to
> > effect. Which leads to whims. However, I do see the importance of
> > action at whatever that is before us, even if what is before us is not
> > the " ultimate " we might be looking for.
>
> > On May 12, 4:05 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Content is irrelevant, probability is equal in regard to the
> > > suppositional base of all religious beliefs. Without empirical
> > > evidence to establish validity of one belief over another the
> > > probability remains equal. Perhaps we can edit out 'ultimate truth'
> > > which seems to be the catalyst for the focus on belief content.
> > > So I can rephrase in saying "the probability of one belief being valid
> > > is equal to that of any other belief".
>
> > > You think you are going to dissect commentary and take thoughts out of
> > > context in order to challenge them?
> > > You cut off "regardless of their existence" which was a reference to
> > > "beliefs".
> > > Nevertheless if you must.
> > > Summarizing suffering into a cause and effect aspect Is another belief
> > > Not a fact. There is not one religion, religious belief, spiritual
> > > movement, revered guru or any other "secret" that has alleviated
> > > suffering. So to believe that suffering is a product of a cause and
> > > effect event is essentially "another belief". Maybe I believe that
> > > suffering is the result of humanity's failure to achieve a collective
> > > mentality, simply another belief. It isn't even a non sequitor
> > > consideration as there is nothing that if following but each belief
> > > stands individually. Put the microscope away!
>
> > > You don't see how I can believe that the criteria for validity is
> > > simply belief. Well that is not accurate because I don't believe the
> > > criteria for validity is simply belief and don't know why you gathered
> > > that from my statement, which is........"I just don't see that any
> > > belief is any more valid that any other belief, including my own."
> > > This is simple truth. You believe rocks have spiritual energy and I
> > > believe rocks contain good luck and gabby believes rocks make good
> > > paper weights, so what makes your belief more valid?
>
> > > I say most problems have to to do with unhappiness because that is
> > > simple observation Justin, greedy people are unhappy with what they
> > > have and so need more, Madoff had millions but obviously he was
> > > unhappy with it. People that are unhappy with their sex life may
> > > resort to any deviation to fulfill that void in their happiness
> > > pocket. People that are unhappy with their finances may rob a store
> > > or these days kill their family and then themselves. Now you should
> > > get out your magnifying glass and look for the unhappiness at the base
> > > of problems.
>
> > > When I say "bypassing the Why" I purpose to address the here and now,
> > > the immediate. Why waste time wondering about the why of it when we
> > > can use that time to effect change. If we could bypass the why we
> > > could facilitate immediate change and the in reflection address the
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