Seeing what is before us is a matter of perspective and belief is one big factor in the shape of what we see. Two people looking at the same thing do not see the same thing. Their differences make what they are seeing different to them. If I see the world as harmonious, and Neil sees it as chaotic, it doesn't mean we are seeing different worlds, it means our perspectives are different based on our beliefs.
On May 12, 5:32 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > You are right about one belief vs another, and that too is a belief ! > <<Vam > It is not a belief it is a fact, all beliefs are beliefs. > > Clearly any belief to the believer can be the ultimate truth for that > believer, still, overall and in the context of all beliefs, that > belief, like all others remains a belief, the truth portion of which, > is subjective. > > To effect change one simply needs to see, as you say, what is before > us, later we can engage analysis. That is one reason why homeless > people are on the street. Too much time is being spent on the 'why is > this happening'. The people are there, no home, no food or water, > and what happens? They fix the banks! > > On May 11, 11:05 pm, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > There are two observations I wish to contribute, SD, if I may. > > > You are right about one belief vs another, and that too is a belief ! > > And I do not say this tongue in cheek. > > > But a belief isn't " just " a belief. The ' responsibility ' of > > holding the belief is immediately upon us. So, if I believe the rock > > is spiritual energy, it becomes encumbent that I ' see ' the spiritual > > energy the rock is and ' know ' the truth value of my belief. If I do > > happen to know that my belief is true, then I also know that the > > contrary belief ( the rock is NOT spiritual energy ) is untrue, > > regardless of how many people are holding that contrary belief. > > Therefore, equating one belief to another, forgetting how beliefs are > > ' rooted ' in individuals, seems facile. > > > Secondly, without the " Why," how does one determine what change to > > effect. Which leads to whims. However, I do see the importance of > > action at whatever that is before us, even if what is before us is not > > the " ultimate " we might be looking for. > > > On May 12, 4:05 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Content is irrelevant, probability is equal in regard to the > > > suppositional base of all religious beliefs. Without empirical > > > evidence to establish validity of one belief over another the > > > probability remains equal. Perhaps we can edit out 'ultimate truth' > > > which seems to be the catalyst for the focus on belief content. > > > So I can rephrase in saying "the probability of one belief being valid > > > is equal to that of any other belief". > > > > You think you are going to dissect commentary and take thoughts out of > > > context in order to challenge them? > > > You cut off "regardless of their existence" which was a reference to > > > "beliefs". > > > Nevertheless if you must. > > > Summarizing suffering into a cause and effect aspect Is another belief > > > Not a fact. There is not one religion, religious belief, spiritual > > > movement, revered guru or any other "secret" that has alleviated > > > suffering. So to believe that suffering is a product of a cause and > > > effect event is essentially "another belief". Maybe I believe that > > > suffering is the result of humanity's failure to achieve a collective > > > mentality, simply another belief. It isn't even a non sequitor > > > consideration as there is nothing that if following but each belief > > > stands individually. Put the microscope away! > > > > You don't see how I can believe that the criteria for validity is > > > simply belief. Well that is not accurate because I don't believe the > > > criteria for validity is simply belief and don't know why you gathered > > > that from my statement, which is........"I just don't see that any > > > belief is any more valid that any other belief, including my own." > > > This is simple truth. You believe rocks have spiritual energy and I > > > believe rocks contain good luck and gabby believes rocks make good > > > paper weights, so what makes your belief more valid? > > > > I say most problems have to to do with unhappiness because that is > > > simple observation Justin, greedy people are unhappy with what they > > > have and so need more, Madoff had millions but obviously he was > > > unhappy with it. People that are unhappy with their sex life may > > > resort to any deviation to fulfill that void in their happiness > > > pocket. People that are unhappy with their finances may rob a store > > > or these days kill their family and then themselves. Now you should > > > get out your magnifying glass and look for the unhappiness at the base > > > of problems. > > > > When I say "bypassing the Why" I purpose to address the here and now, > > > the immediate. Why waste time wondering about the why of it when we > > > can use that time to effect change. If we could bypass the why we > > > could facilitate immediate change and the in reflection address the > > > why. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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