Olive you, Molly
On May 13, 6:53 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote:
> Ah! Neville Goddard's pruning shears of revision are a powerful
> tool! And I was instantly on the shore of the lake near my home when
> you described your contentment watching the water lap the earth. One
> of my favorite places. And a good place to let your life flow through
> your heart.
>
> On May 13, 3:46 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > A lovely post- thank you. Furthered yesterday by a very long
> > converstion with my daughter- who knows me so well. She thinks my
> > problems were boundaries and delayed reactions- back to the hoop skirt
> > image. It wasn't a glum conversation- lots of laughter and
> > affirmations along with the serious stuff.// I had my first child at
> > 20 and my last at 40 so I was too busy to reflect but it seems I am at
> > the age where reflection is considered normal. And one may have to go
> > through several revisions. Cuts. Perspectives.// I can close/sell the
> > house and move across the globe in two directions or remain- I haven't
> > decided. I am in flux. One day I am happy the tide washes in- the
> > next, that it washes out.//Anyway, I am happy for your outcome. I
> > guess might start by answering the phone, opening the front door and
> > responding to invitations? lol
>
> > On May 12, 8:42 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > I must say I agree with your insights, here, rigsy. We are formed and
> > > reformed as we go through life loving and those first years with are
> > > family are very formative. Getting a perspective on them that allows
> > > us to witness ourselves as if in a movie, objectively, can be key as
> > > it allows us to let go of the emotion and see ourselves operate in the
> > > scenes. From here, we can make our adjustment and fill in the empty
> > > spaces.
>
> > > I also understand first hand the difference between lonely and alone.
> > > Although single for nearly fifteen years, I was never lonely, and
> > > preferred a solitary life that allowed me the freedom to make my own
> > > choices and be myself always. Then I found someone who would allow
> > > and support this all ways. We still shadow dance, as everyone does.
> > > But I finally said yes because I believe he can move beyond it, and
> > > has no attachment to some vision of who I should be. He can take the
> > > point of the witness that transcends object and subject, and allow
> > > love to be what it is. Very rare and well worth the yes.
>
> > > Like you, when I look back at past loves, I can smile at the journey
> > > and enjoy the rich tapestry - can appreciate them, and am very glad to
> > > be where I am now.
>
> > > On May 12, 6:03 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > We are somewhat stuck and molded, Molly, by our original family and
> > > > often our adult choices are attempts to repair or fill in empty spaces
> > > > even if it is destructive. There is a difference between being lonely
> > > > and alone- a big difference. I smile now to think of remarks made
> > > > while I was in two unhappy marriages and other sub-plots, based on
> > > > their presumptions of what love looked like.
>
> > > > On May 11, 11:29 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > So, selfish love would be making people into (in your mind) what you
> > > > > want them to be to satisfy your own needs. I suppose this would be
> > > > > selfish, as it does not leave much about the other in the equation but
> > > > > what you make of them. Of course, I have seen relationships like this
> > > > > work, because there are those folks who would rather be used and
> > > > > abused than lonely and don't think more of themselves to know or care
> > > > > that there is more to love.
>
> > > > > On May 11, 8:10 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Selfish aspects are difficult to recognise Molly, yet perversely
> > > > > > obvious much of the time. Clearly, many people show a professional
> > > > > > persona to the world - whether lawyer, teacher or magical
> > > > > > bulldunger -
> > > > > > yet one can also present innocence in a skilled manner. Gabby, at
> > > > > > least in my view, is often good at reminding us of this - perhaps
> > > > > > jolting some sense into how selfish aspects may be hidden even in
> > > > > > professions of concern. Gabby can get away with pretty much
> > > > > > anything
> > > > > > for me because I never feel there is an attempt to utter the last
> > > > > > word. There is some selfish love here - I want her to be a real
> > > > > > version of my held images - yet I want no one to conform to any
> > > > > > dreamed-up stuff of mine, and yet again there is a clear non-
> > > > > > conformity that conforms with my desire. If I make you into an
> > > > > > Angel
> > > > > > Molly, I would probably merely be confirming some desire for you to
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > everything I would hate if I could hate! Though an alternative
> > > > > > would
> > > > > > be to fall from grace together! "Silly boy", I hope you both might
> > > > > > say, though even that might just be said in a tone I might desire.
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > guess, to a fair degree I can't hit at what I mean in that the real
> > > > > > selfishness brings the paranoid-schizoid position with itself and
> > > > > > exclusion zones that prevent love as a process that can wander its
> > > > > > own
> > > > > > course and touch us all. Attracted by an Angel one finds a Devil,
> > > > > > projecting a Devil one finds and Angel in real deeds. Finding that
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > politician has charged us £340 for horse manure we might be upset at
> > > > > > having to pay his expenses, until discovering he means to pour it
> > > > > > over
> > > > > > the other bastards! My guess is that there is very little positive
> > > > > > affirmation of human motivation and that most people falsely believe
> > > > > > they can tell what is honest from what is not - explaining why we
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > conned over and over again by dross.
>
> > > > > > On 11 May, 14:43, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > in a Tim Buckley frame of mind:
>
> > > > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34FFcI98_Qs
>
> > > > > > > On May 10, 9:47 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > An old friend of mine wanted something of a return to primitive
> > > > > > > > 'New
> > > > > > > > World' relations in her life. I sent her something on Kikuyu
> > > > > > > > adolescent sex huts and some other anthropology - all readable
> > > > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > patronising male dross (the girls were not supposed to turn
> > > > > > > > down any
> > > > > > > > boy who asked etc.) - she sent me some William Goulding that
> > > > > > > > might
> > > > > > > > equate to Mills and Boon for the literate, perhaps a tale of
> > > > > > > > love
> > > > > > > > before the Fall. I do think we might find something worthwhile
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > loving another and finding the place of this in a wider form -
> > > > > > > > the and
> > > > > > > > seeming very important. One can give oneself and others a
> > > > > > > > decent
> > > > > > > > measure of unconditional, positive affirmation - this being a
> > > > > > > > complex
> > > > > > > > set against Molly's 'habits'. Love may be traumatic in the
> > > > > > > > sense of
> > > > > > > > only dawning on us after an event, only available in the
> > > > > > > > differment
> > > > > > > > of self. This differment seems to entail not thinking to badly
> > > > > > > > of the
> > > > > > > > other in disagreement, perhaps in viewing this in terms of
> > > > > > > > necessary
> > > > > > > > honesty and a need to consider personal change. Ad hominem
> > > > > > > > rules can
> > > > > > > > prevent this and a wider concept of more personal feedback is
> > > > > > > > probably
> > > > > > > > needed to stop us taking personal attack into polite agendas
> > > > > > > > hidden by
> > > > > > > > rhetoric and never say the very things that need to be said in
> > > > > > > > order
> > > > > > > > to understand them in differment.
>
> > > > > > > > On 11 May, 00:59, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > How ironic in a thread about the Nature of LOVE!
>
> > > > > > > > > On May 10, 6:19 pm, Chris Jenkins
> > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > Actually, Gabs, the rules have always been to attack the
> > > > > > > > > > idea, and not the person. Simple enough for you to follow.
>
> > > > > > > > > > [ Attached Message ]From:gabbydott
> > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\""
> > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]>Date:Sun, 10 May 2009 14:31:50
> > > > > > > > > > -0700 (PDT)Local:Sun, May 10 2009 4:31 pmSubject:[Mind's
> > > > > > > > > > Eye] Re: What is the nature of Love?
>
> > > > > > > > > > To get an answer instead of this evasive insult. You're not
> > > > > > > > > > really
> > > > > > > > > > dead yet, that's why I thought I might dare to ask you
> > > > > > > > > > directly why
> > > > > > > > > > you wrote what you wrote, with you being a professional
> > > > > > > > > > writer I
> > > > > > > > > > thought you might be able to access the self-reflective
> > > > > > > > > > level I was
> > > > > > > > > > addressing. Yes, Chris, I know, I should have read the
> > > > > > > > > > posting
> > > > > > > > > > guidelines more carefully which had better advised us to
> > > > > > > > > > stick to
> > > > > > > > > > quoting Plato always.
>
> > > > > > > > > > On 10 Mai, 20:44, Molly Brogan <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > I was wondering out loud about Neil's idea of selfish
> > > > > > > > > > > love. Wondering
> > > > > > > > > > > out loud is part of what we do here. Why the abrasive
> > > > > > > > > > > tone, Gabby?
>
> > > > > > > > > > > On May 10, 2:05 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > And I think it is wonderful that people
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > can find their comfort zone in life and be satisfied
> > > > > > > > > > > > > with that. But I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > wonder if it isn't part of what Neil refers to as
> > > > > > > > > > > > > selfish forms of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > love, aside from the more exploitative kinds.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > Right, let’s talk about beginnings. Why would Molly,
> > > > > > > > > > > > our mastress of
> > > > > > > > > > > > embrace-the-paradox, end her concluding sentence with
> > > > > > > > > > > > this schismatic
> > > > > > > > > > > > “but”? To establish the paradox she makes out to make
> > > > > > > > > > > > it embraceable?
> > > > > > > > > > > > Well, why would Molly want to create some extra work
> > > > > > > > > > > > when she sees
> > > > > > > > > > > > that we don’t even handle our everyday
>
> ...
>
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