Yeah,Neil, but I have marvellous memories of that balcony with the view of Rome ...
also surreal memories of EUR, Mussolini's modernist "new Rome". Now that's a very weird place! http://www.romeartlover.it/Eur.html Francis On 13 Mai, 17:21, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > I sort of feel that 'love' of a certain sort gets in the way of > anything worthwhile. A clapped out old tramp like me might want to > look back at past loves in a bout of tear-warming nostalgia, but > frankly I was crap and never liked the game or knew what to do with > it. Not much human moves me without suspicion and I might well want > to 'love' some other vision of what we might become. Off topic I > guess Chris, so dream up an Alberto Moravia scene with a fascist butt- > bumping a handcuffed tart on a balcony with a view of Rome, thus > f*cking all the City. Might have tried this were it not for my > dislike of handcuffs, sympathy with tarts preventing me wanting their > services and a morbid fear of crumbling balconies and certain > knowledge I would get more fun shooting fascists than being one. I > did once give a copy of Moravia's book to a woman I severely disliked > during my revenge-bonking days ... > > On 13 May, 13:43, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Olive you TOO! > > > On May 13, 8:03 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Olive you, Molly > > > > On May 13, 6:53 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Ah! Neville Goddard's pruning shears of revision are a powerful > > > > tool! And I was instantly on the shore of the lake near my home when > > > > you described your contentment watching the water lap the earth. One > > > > of my favorite places. And a good place to let your life flow through > > > > your heart. > > > > > On May 13, 3:46 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > A lovely post- thank you. Furthered yesterday by a very long > > > > > converstion with my daughter- who knows me so well. She thinks my > > > > > problems were boundaries and delayed reactions- back to the hoop skirt > > > > > image. It wasn't a glum conversation- lots of laughter and > > > > > affirmations along with the serious stuff.// I had my first child at > > > > > 20 and my last at 40 so I was too busy to reflect but it seems I am at > > > > > the age where reflection is considered normal. And one may have to go > > > > > through several revisions. Cuts. Perspectives.// I can close/sell the > > > > > house and move across the globe in two directions or remain- I haven't > > > > > decided. I am in flux. One day I am happy the tide washes in- the > > > > > next, that it washes out.//Anyway, I am happy for your outcome. I > > > > > guess might start by answering the phone, opening the front door and > > > > > responding to invitations? lol > > > > > > On May 12, 8:42 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I must say I agree with your insights, here, rigsy. We are formed > > > > > > and > > > > > > reformed as we go through life loving and those first years with are > > > > > > family are very formative. Getting a perspective on them that > > > > > > allows > > > > > > us to witness ourselves as if in a movie, objectively, can be key as > > > > > > it allows us to let go of the emotion and see ourselves operate in > > > > > > the > > > > > > scenes. From here, we can make our adjustment and fill in the empty > > > > > > spaces. > > > > > > > I also understand first hand the difference between lonely and > > > > > > alone. > > > > > > Although single for nearly fifteen years, I was never lonely, and > > > > > > preferred a solitary life that allowed me the freedom to make my own > > > > > > choices and be myself always. Then I found someone who would allow > > > > > > and support this all ways. We still shadow dance, as everyone does. > > > > > > But I finally said yes because I believe he can move beyond it, and > > > > > > has no attachment to some vision of who I should be. He can take > > > > > > the > > > > > > point of the witness that transcends object and subject, and allow > > > > > > love to be what it is. Very rare and well worth the yes. > > > > > > > Like you, when I look back at past loves, I can smile at the journey > > > > > > and enjoy the rich tapestry - can appreciate them, and am very glad > > > > > > to > > > > > > be where I am now. > > > > > > > On May 12, 6:03 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > We are somewhat stuck and molded, Molly, by our original family > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > often our adult choices are attempts to repair or fill in empty > > > > > > > spaces > > > > > > > even if it is destructive. There is a difference between being > > > > > > > lonely > > > > > > > and alone- a big difference. I smile now to think of remarks made > > > > > > > while I was in two unhappy marriages and other sub-plots, based on > > > > > > > their presumptions of what love looked like. > > > > > > > > On May 11, 11:29 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > So, selfish love would be making people into (in your mind) > > > > > > > > what you > > > > > > > > want them to be to satisfy your own needs. I suppose this > > > > > > > > would be > > > > > > > > selfish, as it does not leave much about the other in the > > > > > > > > equation but > > > > > > > > what you make of them. Of course, I have seen relationships > > > > > > > > like this > > > > > > > > work, because there are those folks who would rather be used and > > > > > > > > abused than lonely and don't think more of themselves to know > > > > > > > > or care > > > > > > > > that there is more to love. > > > > > > > > > On May 11, 8:10 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Selfish aspects are difficult to recognise Molly, yet > > > > > > > > > perversely > > > > > > > > > obvious much of the time. Clearly, many people show a > > > > > > > > > professional > > > > > > > > > persona to the world - whether lawyer, teacher or magical > > > > > > > > > bulldunger - > > > > > > > > > yet one can also present innocence in a skilled manner. > > > > > > > > > Gabby, at > > > > > > > > > least in my view, is often good at reminding us of this - > > > > > > > > > perhaps > > > > > > > > > jolting some sense into how selfish aspects may be hidden > > > > > > > > > even in > > > > > > > > > professions of concern. Gabby can get away with pretty much > > > > > > > > > anything > > > > > > > > > for me because I never feel there is an attempt to utter the > > > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > word. There is some selfish love here - I want her to be a > > > > > > > > > real > > > > > > > > > version of my held images - yet I want no one to conform to > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > dreamed-up stuff of mine, and yet again there is a clear non- > > > > > > > > > conformity that conforms with my desire. If I make you into > > > > > > > > > an Angel > > > > > > > > > Molly, I would probably merely be confirming some desire for > > > > > > > > > you to be > > > > > > > > > everything I would hate if I could hate! Though an > > > > > > > > > alternative would > > > > > > > > > be to fall from grace together! "Silly boy", I hope you both > > > > > > > > > might > > > > > > > > > say, though even that might just be said in a tone I might > > > > > > > > > desire. I > > > > > > > > > guess, to a fair degree I can't hit at what I mean in that > > > > > > > > > the real > > > > > > > > > selfishness brings the paranoid-schizoid position with itself > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > exclusion zones that prevent love as a process that can > > > > > > > > > wander its own > > > > > > > > > course and touch us all. Attracted by an Angel one finds a > > > > > > > > > Devil, > > > > > > > > > projecting a Devil one finds and Angel in real deeds. > > > > > > > > > Finding that a > > > > > > > > > politician has charged us £340 for horse manure we might be > > > > > > > > > upset at > > > > > > > > > having to pay his expenses, until discovering he means to > > > > > > > > > pour it over > > > > > > > > > the other bastards! My guess is that there is very little > > > > > > > > > positive > > > > > > > > > affirmation of human motivation and that most people falsely > > > > > > > > > believe > > > > > > > > > they can tell what is honest from what is not - explaining > > > > > > > > > why we are > > > > > > > > > conned over and over again by dross. > > > > > > > > > > On 11 May, 14:43, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > in a Tim Buckley frame of mind: > > > > > > > > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34FFcI98_Qs > > > > > > > > > > > On May 10, 9:47 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > An old friend of mine wanted something of a return to > > > > > > > > > > > primitive 'New > > > > > > > > > > > World' relations in her life. I sent her something on > > > > > > > > > > > Kikuyu > > > > > > > > > > > adolescent sex huts and some other anthropology - all > > > > > > > > > > > readable as > > > > > > > > > > > patronising male dross (the girls were not supposed to > > > > > > > > > > > turn down any > > > > > > > > > > > boy who asked etc.) - she sent me some William Goulding > > > > > > > > > > > that might > > > > > > > > > > > equate to Mills and Boon for the literate, perhaps a tale > > > > > > > > > > > of love > > > > > > > > > > > before the Fall. I do think we might find something > > > > > > > > > > > worthwhile in > > > > > > > > > > > loving another and finding the place of this in a wider > > > > > > > > > > > form - the and > > > > > > > > > > > seeming very important. One can give oneself and others > > > > > > > > > > > a decent > > > > > > > > > > > measure of unconditional, positive affirmation - this > > > > > > > > > > > being a complex > > > > > > > > > > > set against Molly's 'habits'. Love may be traumatic in > > > > > > > > > > > the sense of > > > > > > > > > > > only dawning on us after an event, only available in the > > > > > > > > > > > differment > > > > > > > > > > > of self. This differment seems to entail not thinking to > > > > > > > > > > > badly of the > > > > > > > > > > > other in disagreement, perhaps in viewing this in terms > > > > > > > > > > > of necessary > > > > > > > > > > > honesty and a need to consider personal change. Ad > > > > > > > > > > > hominem rules can > > > > > > > > > > > prevent this and a wider concept of more personal > > > > > > > > > > > feedback is probably > > > > > > > > > > > needed to stop us taking personal attack into polite > > > > > > > > > > > agendas hidden by > > > > > > > > > > > rhetoric and never say the very things that need to be > > > > > > > > > > > said in order > > > > > > > > > > > to understand them in differment. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11 May, 00:59, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > How ironic in a thread about the Nature of LOVE! > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 10, 6:19 pm, Chris Jenkins > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, Gabs, the rules have always been to attack > > > > > > > > > > > > > the idea, and not the person. Simple enough for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > to follow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ Attached Message ]From:gabbydott > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\"" > > ... > > Erfahren Sie mehr » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
