perhaps she recognized the mask of fear
On May 18, 6:30 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote:
> You corporately killed Brother Dave - whereas 1984 and the New
> Millennium passed like my 10th, 20th, 30th, and 40th birthday passed.
> How do you want to scare me next? With the mirror trick? Snow White
> survived that, too.
>
> On 18 Mai, 03:34, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I remember when a group of us, some young and bright eyed, some seasoned
> > veterans of corporate wars, formed up under a mantra of open-ness in
> > corporate technology and communication called the Cluetrain Manifesto. It
> > was a naive movement aimed at shaping corporate interactions with the
> > consumer market, controlling capitalism, by controlling the online
> > communication with and about each corporate entity. Now, ten years later,
> > the corporations have won again, through a combination of learning new
> > media, and homing their control of it, and litigating against all which
> > they couldn't. In the end, we are left with collaborative filtering, and
> > other wonders of high technology hybrids of individualistic marketing and
> > controlled groupthink. The data is everything, and everything you do online
> > is tracked by two dozen marketing corporations through the use of cookies
> > and other spyware, which are capable of building complex marketing profiles
> > for legal marketing purposes. That data, in turn, is available to any
> > government entity in the world who cares to ask for it. As someone who
> > performs data analaysis for a living, I can assure anyone intwerested that
> > the most mundane of data can be used to create an incredibly complex set of
> > trends about you, your beliefs, your behaviours, your friends, and every
> > aspect of your daily life. Read Bruce Schneier's blog, google companies
> > like ChoicePoint and DoubleClick,and you start to get a better
> > understanding. The only thing missing is the TV in the room with the face
> > on it. Big Brother is already here.
>
> > [ Angehängte Nachricht ]Von:ornamentalmind
> > <[email protected]>In:"\"Minds Eye\""
> > <[email protected]>Datum:Sun, 17 May 2009 17:38:08 -0700
> > (PDT)Lokal:Mo 18 Mai 2009 02:38Betreff:[Mind's Eye] Re: The Finite Mask
> > that Covers the Infinite
>
> > "... But if you have nothing to hide, so what? ..." - MB
>
> > This mantra is rife with naive assumptions and is all too common. The
> > 1984 issue has never been about what one must/wishes to, hide. It is
> > about how what one (or many)...in position(s) of power use what they
> > know and/or can gather.
>
> > The onus is on us all to keep such data bases as empty as possible.
> > Even those of us in power now because there will be a time when that
> > isn't the case either.
>
> > I hope never to hear this vapid phrase ever again.
>
> > On May 17, 4:38 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > I think there is probably considerable intelligence gathering on
> > > private citizens and has been since Hoover. But if you have nothing
> > > to hide, so what? The age of ethics and transparency is upon us.
>
> > > On May 17, 7:28 am, nupur rana <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > Hey! wat i meant was... our Govt. is hardly the ' Big Brother types...
> > > > thats
> > > > wat i meant!!!
>
> > > > On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Molly Brogan <[email protected]>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > keep studying
>
> > > > > On May 17, 7:04 am, "pol.science kid" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > I thought the big Brother was confined to the US.......
>
> > > > > > On May 16, 8:44 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Hey Kid ;
>
> > > > > > > "that would suck dude... and we wont
> > > > > > > be abl to talk trash freely... now anonymity gives us
> > > > > > > freedom...know
> > > > > > > wat i mean..;-)"
>
> > > > > > > I hate to be the one to burst your bubble kid,, there is no such
> > > > > > > thing
> > > > > as
> > > > > > > anonymity on the internet, Big brother always knows when he so
> > > > > > > desires
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > information.. movie hype just makes for a good story.. Like cell
> > > > > phones
> > > > > > > they already know where you are even before they pick it up..
> > > > > > > have fun.. remember big brother really is watching..
> > > > > > > Allan
>
> > > > > > > On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 12:11 PM, pol.science kid <
> > > > > [email protected]>wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > if such a thing were invented we'd have to make ourselves
> > > > > > > > presentable
> > > > > > > > before sitting on the computer.... that would suck dude... and
> > > > > > > > we
> > > > > wont
> > > > > > > > be abl to talk trash freely... now anonymity gives us
> > > > > > > > freedom...know
> > > > > > > > wat i mean..;-)
>
> > > > > > > > On May 15, 7:35 pm, e_space <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > somebody should invent a group or chat room where there is a
> > > > > > > > > window
> > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > the side of the page showing the persons face beside their
> > > > > > > > > post in
> > > > > > > > > real time! well, maybe not ;-^)
>
> > > > > > > > > On May 15, 10:20 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > Indeed, interpreting the expression completes the
> > > > > > > > > > communication
> > > > > loop,
> > > > > > > > > > and is also fraught with complexity. So often, what is
> > > > > > > > > > expressed
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > misinterpreted. Here in the web space, we do not have the
> > > > > > > > > > body
> > > > > > > > > > language cues to help us along in interpreting
> > > > > > > > > > communication. I
> > > > > > > > > > haven't decided if that is good or bad. I suppose it could
> > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > either,
> > > > > > > > > > depending on the circumstance. We are forced to leave
> > > > > > > > > > behind all
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > our biases to physical appearance here, along with the
> > > > > > > > > > reactions
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > our ego to certain physical expressions. That could be a
> > > > > > > > > > good
> > > > > thing.
>
> > > > > > > > > > Nonetheless, we pick up and put down our masks, even when
> > > > > > > > > > using
> > > > > words
> > > > > > > > > > in this space. And even when we put down our mask, it
> > > > > > > > > > might be
> > > > > > > > > > interpreted as wearing one by someone who has had a bad
> > > > > experience
> > > > > > > > > > with a particular type of person or particular phraseology.
>
> > > > > > > > > > I wholeheartedly agree with you about the nature of
> > > > > > > > > > expression
> > > > > through
> > > > > > > > > > our eyes. There seems to be the possibility of a pure
> > > > > > > > > > connection
> > > > > when
> > > > > > > > > > masks are off and eyes are locked together.
>
> > > > > > > > > > On May 15, 9:08 am, e_space <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > faces may portray one thing, but the eyes are the window
> > > > > > > > > > > to the
> > > > > soul.
> > > > > > > > > > > somebody could be in a lot of pain and grimacing because
> > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > such...they might look offensive yet be the sweetest
> > > > > > > > > > > person
> > > > > around.
> > > > > > > > > > > facial expressions can be faked or portray the wrong
> > > > > message...just
> > > > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > > > > some are able to pass lie detector tests while they are
> > > > > > > > > > > in fact
> > > > > > > > > > > guilty, and vice versa...
>
> > > > > > > > > > > On May 15, 7:52 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]>
> > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder if anyone had a chance to see the BBC series
> > > > > > > > > > > > "The
> > > > > Human
> > > > > > > > Face"
> > > > > > > > > > > > with John Cleese who tells us that there are thousands
> > > > > > > > > > > > human
> > > > > > > > > > > > expressions that convey different emotions. There is a
> > > > > science to
> > > > > > > > > > > > understanding this, and here in the US, there is a
> > > > > > > > > > > > prime time
> > > > > show
> > > > > > > > > > > > that (in a feeble and sensational attempt) shows us
> > > > > > > > > > > > how, with
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > CIA
> > > > > > > > > > > > experts cracking cases by reading the faces of
> > > > > > > > > > > > suspects. It
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > > funny
> > > > > > > > > > > > that they will show us the face of contempt on a
> > > > > > > > > > > > suspect, and
> > > > > then
> > > > > > > > > > > > flash to the face of Hillary Clinton with the same
> > > > > expression,
> > > > > > > > mocking
> > > > > > > > > > > > many of the world leaders who, at least for a moment,
> > > > > > > > > > > > put
> > > > > their
> > > > > > > > mask
> > > > > > > > > > > > down and were caught on camera doing so.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > Interpreting the masks around us, I think, must be more
> > > > > intuitive
> > > > > > > > than
> > > > > > > > > > > > mechanical. What a colossal waste of time it would be
> > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > walk
> > > > > > > > around
> > > > > > > > > > > > constantly, looking at faces and translating
> > > > > > > > > > > > expressions. I
> > > > > think
> > > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > > > > do it quite naturally and intuitively, and might only
> > > > > > > > > > > > need
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > practice if we were running into trouble with it.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > On May 14, 12:00 pm, Molly Brogan
> > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]>
> > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > and integrity. But I wonder if we, ourselves,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > understand
> > > > > how we
> > > > > > > > use
> > > > > > > > > > > > > masks to face the world. As rigsy said, the mask of a
> > > > > rebel can
> > > > > > > > allow
> > > > > > > > > > > > > us to push against authority or each other. The mask
> > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > warrior
> > > > > > > > > > > > > can allow us to defend a loved one when we are, at our
> > > > > core,
> > > > > > > > peaceful
> > > > > > > > > > > > > people. The mask of a lover can allow us to say
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Olive you,
> > > > > when
> > > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > > > > > are shy. I think the masks themselves allow us to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > try on
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > step
> > > > > > > > > > > > > into aspects of self that haven't been tried or aren't
> > > > > normally
> > > > > > > > > > > > > comfortable. At some point, if we find our comfort
> > > > > > > > > > > > > zone
> > > > > wearing
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > mask, we can take it off and integrate the aspect of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > being.
> > > > > This
> > > > > > > > may
> > > > > > > > > > > > > be more along the line of what Joseph Campbell may
> > > > > > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > been
> > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking. We each go through our lives searching
> > > > > > > > > > > > > inwardly
> > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > > > > externally for purpose or place in the world. The
> > > > > > > > > > > > > masks of
> > > > > God
>
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