I notice that you fail to address any of the nine points I raised about your belief system.
Tell me more 'collective intelligence'. Give some empirical evidence of it. And, most importantly, using your own beliefs about human consciousness as you have expressed them, tell me how ideas can travel outside of the brain, then unite and form a type of consciousness. Then as you claim to believe that mind/consciousness is entirely a brain function tell me who it is that is having that consciousness and, finally, point out where one can find the brain of the entity that has this 'collective consciousness'. I'm waiting. It is not a good idea to read scripture literally. Jehovah is a metaphor. Look at all the trouble that Zionists have caused in the world by interpreting 'Israel' and 'the Promised Land' literally as real estate instead of as metaphors for God Consciousness. In pursuing the former, Zionists have alienated themselves from the latter. It is interesting (and somewhat stupid) that someone accuse me of being an atheist. There are some others here that have exactly the opposite view so I must be doing something right. I agree with you that you could be considered by some to obnoxious. On May 20, 10:08 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > You start off making a claim to superiority with imaginary back up, > ooohh you're so smart. > > I know that they can cause your superior spiritual feeling by > suppressing the orientation center in the brain of anyone, including > atheist. > > The collective intelligence is the source of insight, inspiration and > revelation. If you don't understand that you're a lot stupider than > you make out for atheist to be. > > So you are ignorant of Jehovah? You deny the supreme being that is the > one true God. You are an atheist and all of the crap you have been > spewing is yours to own. Suck it up :-) > I know your 'transcendental', it is escapism because you haven't the > ability to deal with Life as it is here and now. > > You haven't done anything but flaunt yourself as being spiritually > superior. > I'm an obnoxious know it all type and you make me look meek and > humble :-) > > peace & Love > > On May 20, 7:22 pm, omprem <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On May 20, 5:04 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On May 20, 8:39 am, omprem <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On May 19, 8:05 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > You are so right, attachment to Life is an addiction, if you are not > > > > > attached to Life you are DEAD. > > > > > OMPREM: Nope. All death means is a change of venue: 'you' still exist > > > > in another form on another plane of existence. > > > > Prove it. Die, then repeat that statement, I'll be listening :-) > > > OMPREM: If you had the capacity to hear astral beings you would not > > be here whining about them. > > > > > > It is total BS to say Life is an obstacle to accessing God. If you are > > > > > dead your brain does Not generate the mind which is the only means by > > > > > which any person here and now or at any time in the past has ever > > > > > accessed God. > > > > > OMPREM: There are many centers of consciousness besides the mind. > > > > Moreover, the mind survives death along with everything else except > > > > the physical body. Your mistake is to equate the mind and > > > > consciousness as originating with brain function. > > > > There is one center of consciousness, the brain. Your fantasy has no > > > substance, my brain does. > > > I'm very familiar with the realm of your beliefs. I know what you're > > > talking about and it is your imagination boosted by dogma. > > > OMPREM: You are sadly out of touch even with 'discoveries' in the > > scientific community. You could start with Dr. Candace Pert's, > > Molecules of Emotion and then get back to me. It's OK, go ahead, > > google her because I know you have not heard of her. > > > > > > Your dogma is nothing but one of many different descriptions of > > > > > something that is common to all mankind. The connection in our brain > > > > > generated mind is to our collective intelligence and it's called by a > > > > > hundred different names to support ones own personal glorification and > > > > > excuse to put someone else down as inferior. > > > > > OMPREM: Wrong. But the answer is right in front of you. If it is the > > > > brain that is totally responsible for the existence of the mind how > > > > then can there be 'collective intelligence'? > > > > The brain produces an energy that reaches beyond the physical being > > > and unites as the collective intelligence. It's very simple, no > > > mystical BS about it. > > > OMPREM: This is too good to pass up. Now I know you atheists claim to > > value reason, logic and empiricism so show me this 'collective > > intelligence' and tell me how you know about it (on an empirical basis > > of course.) Is it something like the collective intelligence of > > lemmings as they hurtle over the cliff? > > > > > According to your brain = consciousness theory there can only be > > > > conventionally-held beliefs, > > > > that is individual beliefs that people have also agreed upon. > > > > How do you come up with that? My brain = consciousness theory? > > > > But > > > > > 'collective intelligence' which you also claim to believe in is > > > > different from those conventional beliefs. With 'collective > > > > intelligence' you are getting into Oneness and the paranormal, two > > > > areas that atheists deny. > > > > The collective intelligence doesn't store BS. I'm an atheist by any > > > dogmatic definition of God. I understand the One and know there are > > > 'paranormal' things. > > > Your ignorance of what an atheist believes is showing :-) > > > OMPREM: You seem to be labouring under the misconception that > > religion posits an individualized God and you are wrong. No religion > > claims that God is an individual. > > > Here's a hint: Religions say God is everywhere all the time and that > > it is all God. This, of course, means that God is not an individual > > because for God to be an individual there has to be somewhere where > > God is not which not possible according to religions. Do you get it > > now? > > > > > > You need to get over your personal claim to superiority and recognize > > > > > the fact that our collective intelligence is God, as far as Life on > > > > > Earth is concerned. Your personal dogma is the support of selfishness. > > > > > And the world is going down the tube because of it. > > > > OMPREM: I agree that collective intelligence is God but so too > > > > therefore must each part of the collective intelligence be God. It's > > > > all God. > > > > Yes. So? > > > It is your refusal to accept your own true nature and leads > > > > > you to mistakenly categorize others who do so as 'selfish'. > > > > I Am, a Live human. There is no selfishness to that claim by any > > > other. > > > OMPREM: This is another mistake that atheists make. They focus > > exclusively on the physical aspect of being human and are completely > > unaware of the transcendental aspect. More sadly, because of their > > type of consciousness that locks them into sense impressions, they > > are utterly incapable of knowing the transcendental about themselves. > > > > Those > > > > others, such as me, who are aware of and identify with their Divine > > > > nature are most assuredly not selfish because to be selfish is to be > > > > unaware of one's ultimate nature and to think of themselves as > > > > individual entities. > > > > To flaunt your divine nature for self glorification and to claim > > > superiority IS selfish. > > > OMPREM: And yet I didn't do that. > > > > Selfish is to stand outside of that collective > > > > > consciousness and not know God. That seems to describe you by your own > > > > admission. But all works out over time. > > > > So you are saying that somebody can separate them self from the One? > > > I can't do that. > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > On May 19, 1:32 pm, omprem <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Patanjali said that attachment to life is an addiction and an > > > > > > obstacle > > > > > > to accessing God. > > > > > > > In addition, there is a bit of equivocation on the use of the phrase > > > > > > 'has to use' as opposed to 'uses'. The difference is quite > > > > > > pronounced. > > > > > > > On May 19, 11:28 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > RE: addiction > > > > > > > Many years ago, a very wise friend of mine defined quantitatively > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > addiction was in a startling, to me, way. He said that anything > > > > > > > (not > > > > > > > needed for life/sustenance) that one has to use at least once > > > > > > > every > > > > > > > two weeks represented an addiction….of sorts. Here, I’m using a > > > > > > > specific meaning for the term…more like a psychic compensation. > > > > > > > > On May 19, 4:28 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > So your addicted too, fran? Gee, where would you place > > > > > > > > yourself on > > > > > > > > the oomp scale of 1 to 10 on coffee addiction? > > > > > > > > > On May 19, 3:30 am, frantheman <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hey, ID, I visited the Netherlands for a couple of hours last > > > > > > > > > Friday! > > > > > > > > > One of the items I stocked up on was original Senseo coffee > > > > > > > > > pads, they > > > > > > > > > cost twice as much in Germany :-) > > > > > > > > > > On 19 Mai, 09:18, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > You haven't told me what you have difficult about my > > > > > > > > > > comments. > > > > > > > > > > > That is easy enough i believe you would sit in copyright > > > > > > > > > > infringement, > > > > > > > > > > simply because what you have said about spirituality is not > > > > > > > > > > original.. most > > > > > > > > > > of it is either quoted or paraphrased from what others have > > > > > > > > > > said. As I read > > > > > > > > > > what you say I find it difficult to believe you are not a > > > > > > > > > > fundamentalist > > > > > > > > > > christian, despite what you say to the contrary. They can > > > > > > > > > > talk a lot of talk > > > > > > > > > > but sadly they tend to lack insight as to the meaning of > > > > > > > > > > the words they say, > > > > > > > > > > as a group. But there are some that do tend to rise above > > > > > > > > > > this tendency. > > > > > > > > > > Your hatred of others and their belief show me that you are > > > > > > > > > > insecure in your > > > > > > > > > > own beliefs, and there is a lot of confusion going on > > > > > > > > > > within you. Your > > > > > > > > > > hatred of atheist tells me you are afraid you are one deep > > > > > > > > > > inside, and that > > > > > > > > > > frightens you very very much, almost like a child that is > > > > > > > > > > frightened of the > > > > > > > > > > unknown. You even called me an atheist, my guardians had a > > > > > > > > > > good laugh. there > > > > > > > > > > are many people here with a wide range of views and each > > > > > > > > > > one is valid. Many > > > > > > > > > > of these people are far smarter and wiser than I am. Many > > > > > > > > > > of us are > > > > > > > > > > considered "Elders" by our given communities, Yet your > > > > > > > > > > treat them with > > > > > > > > > > absolute disrespect. > > > > > > > > > > I asked you to share your personal spiritual experiences. > > > > > > > > > > You reply with " > > > > > > > > > > You haven't told me what you have difficult about my > > > > > > > > > > comments." Well there > > > > > > > > > > is a difference between comments and spiritual > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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