Orny, what would I do - what would the world do - without you correcting me and my eye-sight!
On 25 Jun., 19:00, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > gabbers, as nice as it would be to give grasshopper the credit for > playing the oldest, here is a photo, and yes, the sound too...of the > oldest. 'Bill', in your article is playing wood (bamboo), this is > vulture wing bone. > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8117915.stm > > On Jun 25, 9:05 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Relax, dj, that rope has long been > > cut.http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/mus... > > > On 25 Jun., 17:39, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > And how would House Johnson deal with the Fremen? Are you prepared for > > > everything planned by Molly's Missionaria Protectiva (aided by the > > > Mentat, Archytas)? Not to mention Tinker's Face Dancers, along with > > > Chris Muad'Dib Jenkins and his sister, Gabby "the Knife". Me, I'm > > > dreaming Spice Dreams with Slip, who's an expert! > > > > On 25 Jun., 15:41, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > And we could call this life Melange. The spice of knowledge. House > > > > Johnson to control production and distribution. A race of former > > > > humanoids twisted by massive dosages of the Spice learn to bend space > > > > and travel is reinvented. Yeah. > > > > > dj > > > > > On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 4:31 AM, archytas<[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > There's been a recent wall built on the question of how we might > > > > > better believe what we know. One of my guesses follows Popper in that > > > > > we can't know now what we will know in the future. Say this small > > > > > moon of Saturn in the news does have an ocean and life. Say we can > > > > > expand our brains by eating this life and there is an expansion > > > > > similar to that alleged in our progression from common ancestors that > > > > > didn't affect the other apes in the same way. We might actually be > > > > > able to see through the madness, understand travel in different ways > > > > > and so on (bit like a video game). On the other hand, if we could > > > > > stop fighting each other, maybe life would change anyway ...we don't > > > > > bother with this latter much, seemingly oblivious to just how much the > > > > > future could influence thinking and our lives. > > > > > > On 25 June, 07:01, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> It's a Humpty Dumpty ism, but all truth knows that one replaces > > > > >> another and another in succession to maintain the position on the > > > > >> wall. Scrabblers pile the bricks and mix the mortar and then wonder > > > > >> why the wall is so high and out of reach. > > > > > >> On Jun 25, 12:31 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> > A very apt version of the conundrum Gabby. I think we are dealing > > > > >> > with madness and consequently a rationality of the mad. Habermas > > > > >> > was > > > > >> > slated for providing too much of an answer, thus becoming just the > > > > >> > next 'rule-giver', just another intellectual telling us what we > > > > >> > should > > > > >> > do. I just want us not to have to scrabble about making livings > > > > >> > and > > > > >> > get rid of the over-powerful. It just seems so damned difficult to > > > > >> > even try. > > > > > >> > On 19 June, 17:32, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> > > I don't know. To think one can promote lying in a society is as > > > > >> > > naive > > > > >> > > as thinking one can promote truing the society. In the world you > > > > >> > > speak > > > > >> > > of, the child is encouraged to publically shout out that the > > > > >> > > Emperor > > > > >> > > is naked while being expected to quietly learn the taylor's job > > > > >> > > in > > > > >> > > their chambers. What is it you're really after? > > > > > >> > > On 19 Jun., 15:11, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > Habermas is almost impossible to read, which is a great shame. > > > > >> > > > Academic critique of his work actually ends up rather like > > > > >> > > > Gabby's few > > > > >> > > > lines, extrapolated to ridiculous length. He was gazetted into > > > > >> > > > the > > > > >> > > > Hitler Youth at the end of the war, something that only goes > > > > >> > > > to show > > > > >> > > > we can all end up serving perverse human interests. Francis' > > > > >> > > > notion of > > > > >> > > > what might happen through wider communication and the possible > > > > >> > > > differences new technologies might bring to 'argument' is > > > > >> > > > probably key > > > > >> > > > to whether we have a future or not. There has been a debate > > > > >> > > > around > > > > >> > > > legitimation portrayed in academe as between Habermas, Lyotard, > > > > >> > > > Derrida, Foucault and others. My own view is that the > > > > >> > > > insularity of > > > > >> > > > this debate (most people have barely heard of it and its > > > > >> > > > protagonists) > > > > >> > > > is itself part of the problem. Press in the UK has been > > > > >> > > > ridiculing our > > > > >> > > > unworthy politicians through expense claims leaked to one > > > > >> > > > newspaper. > > > > >> > > > Today, Parliament has "published" the details under so much > > > > >> > > > black ink > > > > >> > > > that we would know less had we been left to rely on official > > > > >> > > > "transparency" and we will get much the same when the Iraq > > > > >> > > > scandal is > > > > >> > > > hidden from us next year. What we lack is honesty and > > > > >> > > > substantial > > > > >> > > > links between this and its use in day-to-day actions. Many > > > > >> > > > people > > > > >> > > > believe it is childish to look at work like this because the > > > > >> > > > real > > > > >> > > > world is so dirty. I suspect the real childishness lies in > > > > >> > > > fear we all > > > > >> > > > have of standing up to the bullying system, which we see as > > > > >> > > > holding > > > > >> > > > all the cards We know bosses and politicians are bad, but are > > > > >> > > > generally weak-kneed in the face of power and easy enough to > > > > >> > > > buy off > > > > >> > > > with a few trinkets and the threat of poverty if we stray into > > > > >> > > > telling > > > > >> > > > the truth. Much as I like Habermas, I'm sure these days that > > > > >> > > > work > > > > >> > > > like his is pussy-footing pisswitter lamenting our lack of > > > > >> > > > courage. > > > > > >> > > > His academic critics often referred to him as 'the Professor' > > > > >> > > > as they > > > > >> > > > felt he was advocating a system that had to be followed to put > > > > >> > > > the > > > > >> > > > system right - perhaps they feared yet another righteous > > > > >> > > > theory as > > > > >> > > > potentially Nazi or Stalinist, even if Jurgen was a man of the > > > > >> > > > left. > > > > >> > > > Academe was wet-through with cultural identity garbage back > > > > >> > > > then and > > > > >> > > > still is. I just noticed he was weak on science, long on > > > > >> > > > unnecessary > > > > >> > > > explanation and broadly right on the destruction of what > > > > >> > > > others termed > > > > >> > > > organic links. I was looking for an explanation of why people > > > > >> > > > choose > > > > >> > > > to follow such stupid ways or get caught up in them. My own > > > > >> > > > view is > > > > >> > > > this happens and is a result of the way we promote lying in our > > > > >> > > > societies. The current situation in Iran would be a good > > > > >> > > > example. We > > > > >> > > > don't know whether the election was fixed to favour the > > > > >> > > > Maddinnerjacket, but there are ways to find out (properly > > > > >> > > > conducted > > > > >> > > > and sampled polling) and it ain't what Kameni is doing, even > > > > >> > > > if he > > > > >> > > > might be right about miserable Western interference. It's too > > > > >> > > > hard > > > > >> > > > anywhere for a populace to shift through the dross to get at > > > > >> > > > truth > > > > >> > > > because of liars and what is so easily hidden or flashed in > > > > >> > > > front of > > > > >> > > > us as the good. In our world, the child seeking to shout out > > > > >> > > > that the > > > > >> > > > Emperor is naked is already silenced. > > > > > >> > > > On 18 June, 20:32, frantheman <[email protected]> > > > > >> > > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > Jürgen Habermas is 80 today. He is one of the most > > > > >> > > > > influential > > > > >> > > > > contemporary thinkers in the areas of philosophy, sociology > > > > >> > > > > and > > > > >> > > > > cultural > > > > >> > > > > science:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habermas,_Jürgen > > > > > >> > > > > One of his most interesting works is "The Theory of > > > > >> > > > > Communicative > > > > >> > > > > Action." I find his analysis of the development of > > > > >> > > > > contemporary > > > > >> > > > > society interesting, particularly his analysis of the way > > > > >> > > > > modern > > > > >> > > > > society can be seen as an unequal dialectic between private, > > > > >> > > > > subjective "lifeworlds" and an ever more powerful "system." > > > > >> > > > > His > > > > >> > > > > thinking in this area is useful because it offers an > > > > >> > > > > explanation for > > > > >> > > > > some trends we observe in contemporary society, for example, > > > > >> > > > > our > > > > >> > > > > suspicions that we are being ever more disenfranchised, > > > > >> > > > > although, > > > > >> > > > > formally, we live in societies in which participation, > > > > >> > > > > representation > > > > >> > > > > and equality are established. Habermas sees the "system" as > > > > >> > > > > taking > > > > >> > > > > overweening power and thus becoming a source of alienation > > > > >> > > > > in the > > > > >> > > > > areas of the welfare state, corporate capitalism and the > > > > >> > > > > culture of > > > > >> > > > > mass consumption. The mass media plays a major role in this > > > > >> > > > > process. > > > > >> > > > > Political parties are also part of this "system." > > > > > >> > > > > The following passage is lifted from Wikipedia (the > > > > >> > > > > quotations are > > > > >> > > > > from TCA): > > > > > >> > > > > "In the end, systemic mechanisms suppress forms of social > > > > >> > > > > integration > > > > >> > > > > even in those areas where a consensus dependent > > > > >> > > > > co-ordination of > > > > >> > > > > action cannot be replaced, that is, where the symbolic > > > > >> > > > > reproduction of > > > > >> > > > > the lifeworld is at stake. In these areas, the mediatization > > > > >> > > > > of the > > > > >> > > > > lifeworld assumes the form of colonisation". > > > > >> > > > > Habermas argues that Horkheimer and Adorno, like Weber > > > > >> > > > > before them, > > > > >> > > > > confused system rationality with action rationality. This > > > > >> > > > > prevented > > > > >> > > > > them dissecting the effects of the intrusion of steering > > > > >> > > > > media into a > > > > >> > > > > differentiated lifeworld and the rationalisation of action > > > > >> > > > > orientations that follows. They could then only identify > > > > >> > > > > spontaneous > > > > >> > > > > communicative actions within areas of apparently > > ... > > Erfahren Sie mehr » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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