You don't have to beg, lol.
OK! You win. {;-]
On Jun 26, 3:44 pm, gruff <[email protected]> wrote:
> I beg to differ Sir Slip. Vicious, heavy, flagitious, heinous,
> iniquitous, irreclaimable, irredeemable, unredeemable, unreformable,
> nefarious, villainous, peccable, peccant, obscene, vile,
> reprehensible, extremely wicked, deeply criminal, horrible, wicked ...
> Each of these terms are easily recognizable by any and all of us and
> determine to one degree or another the degree of badness an act or
> person has achieved all on their own.
>
> Terms such as evil, sinful, ungodly, of the devil, satan, malefic,
> having or exerting a malignant influence, malevolent stars, a malefic
> force and a slew of others imply a degree of badness lower than can be
> imagined and strongly implies the existence of a supreme being and a
> supreme villian of which we are mere pawns in need of forgiveness and
> redemption.
>
> It just seems to me that the human species has labored long enough
> under the yoke of guilt and worthlessness that our religions heap upon
> us. For those who counter with the rapture that allegedly captures
> some of the faithful, remember that it takes blind belief and faith in
> a supreme being in order to achieve that rapturous state of bliss.
> I'm sorry but did someone once say that ignorance is also bliss?
>
> We do not need a supreme being to tell us what is good and bad. We
> can figure it out on our own if for no other reason than that we're so
> good at it -- being bad that is. So let's take Christ, Muhammad,
> Buddha, Krishna, and all the other manifestations and put them in
> their proper place in the well-illuminated handsomely decorated corner
> display hutch of ancient worships and begin to deal with things on an
> even playing ground. Anyone who brings in god or any of it's minions
> is automatically disqualified. There is only one rule that is
> needed. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. The worse
> someone does you the badder they are and vice versa.
>
> On Jun 26, 7:09 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Exactly, the degrees of which something is good or bad, happy or sad
> > etc. There are other words that describe these degrees. A person
> > who wins lotto might not just be happy but elated, ecstatic or
> > exhilarated. So what word describes, in your world, the worst of the
> > bad? Is there such a thing as an evil deed that is not religiously
> > affiliated? Maybe I've been disassociated with religious context for
> > so long I don't get the religious slant. I tend to put more religious
> > emphasis on words like diabolic or satanic. Evil to me is worst than
> > wickedness. I do agree that religions have instituted much
> > ecclesiastical subjugation throughout history which by their very
> > nature could be interpreted as evil (as they define it), however I
> > wouldn't assign the word evil exclusively to religious entities in our
> > time. It's just another word for me.
>
> > On Jun 25, 6:53 pm, gruff <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Just as nothing is black and white, nothing is pure good or pure bad.
> > > It's always a matter of degree, I think. My personal views on
> > > religion neither interfere with my objective perceptions of relgion
> > > nor mitigate the degree of oppressive control most religions have
> > > exercised through the delicate art of evil. (with nods to Rigsey.)
>
> > > On Jun 25, 3:17 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > Sounds good on the surface, Gruff, but what about the extremes of
> > > > bad? Do we view heinous crimes as just bad behavior? Perhaps your
> > > > perception of evil is maligned by personal views towards religion.
> > > > Does evil only have a religious connotation?
>
> > > > On Jun 25, 4:28 pm, gruff <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Evil is a religious term of art designed to put the fear of god into
> > > > > you by classifying some human behavior as bad and other, far worse,
> > > > > evil, because you only suffer temporarily for being bad but if you're
> > > > > evil you go straight to hell and burn for all eternity. I prefer to
> > > > > use the terms good and bad to classify human behavior. Good and bad
> > > > > do not carry the baggage of religion and thus make for a more perfect
> > > > > balance of judgment.
>
> > > > > On Jun 24, 1:51 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > A simple question, or is it?
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