Truth be told arch. I would guess whomever holds the reigns on the military machine can impose any sense of order. In a orderly society I would go along with the stocks and public humiliations but the horrendous inflictions of regimes can be quite disturbing. We tend to criticize public hangings, beheading and amputations while we quietly go about execution by electrocution and lethal injection. Punishment might be a natural function as it exists in many forms and starts in childhood. When we don't get our way, we punish, which could be as simple as ignoring someone or horrid as torture.
On Jun 27, 12:23 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > Islam actually contains some wonders. Society should provide a > culture in which crime is made unnecessary - and in some senses it is > not possible to commit crime if this society has not been created. > Obviously something of a dream, but not a bad one. All our societies > fail miserably against this dream. Brutality is not the answer. We > are mad enough in general to laud Michael Jackson in his death and > hate child-abusers. I have become less concerned with what we do to > criminals as an answer to anything much. Access to justice for > victims might be a better approach. Once religion gets into > justification processes we are doomed - it can justify anything. We > have made big mistakes on multi-cult and a backlash is coming - we end > up tolerating the intolerable. I wonder whether stuff like this and > political correctness arise in evil and hatred, the latter being a > disguised form. I really don't care what colour my neighbours are and > where and how they pray if they must as long as they don't disturb me > - but I now feel threatened because I don't see this tolerance > reciprocated and some of the dafter ideas are intruding into > practice. This starts small with special medical provision for Asian > girls and women wearing black bags, not being allowed to work and so > on. Crime and worse follows. All this eats away at a rational, open > society. > Weirdly, I'm somewhat in favour of public executions, floggings and > the stocks - as thought experiments about the actual problems we face > and what cures we might establish. I wonder what right to wake me in > the early hours comes from the need to go to the Mosque - even with > wailing Mullahs this is done quietly in the Middle East. Brutality is > a sure sign a society is running wrong, yet so is our crime > statistic. I suspect we have failed at deep levels to understand how > to make sure everyone gets enough and why we have rules, what they are > and what transgresses them. > > On 26 June, 19:47, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > To maintain a semblance of > > order in a brutal society brutal methods are necessary. Making them > > public would be even more effective.<<<DJ > > > So a brutal power that uses brutality to stay in power is a viable > > recourse? You find justification in murder for the sake of > > squelching the voice of justice, the voice of protest, the act of > > fairness etc? > > > Brutality in controlling populations is akin to genocide. > > > On Jun 26, 8:50 am, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I think a finger or two would have been sufficient :-) > > > > Ah, Tink, a man after my own heart. I hate thieves and liars. Often > > > murder is more noble then these two traits of humanity. A thumb on > > > first offense and the other if he does it again. Brutality is > > > effective in controlling populations. Look how well it is working in > > > Iran. The protests are effectively over. To maintain a semblance of > > > order in a brutal society brutal methods are necessary. Making them > > > public would be even more effective. Remember the brutality after > > > the Shah was brought down in 1979? Tens of thousands were rounded up > > > and murdered. It kept the populace quiet for a generation. This is > > > why keel hauling was used on navy ships in the past. Many times crews > > > were made up of criminals and drunks and scurvy dogs. The almost > > > certain death of a keel hauling and subsequent parading of the flesh > > > torn bodies would scare anyone into towing the line. > > > > On capital punishment. How about public executions? What would be the > > > effect of this? Would it galvanize the public against the death > > > penalty or for it? Would it serve as more of a detriment? We rid the > > > world of a lot of murderers here in Texas every year but it hardly > > > makes a ripple in the news cycle. Put that on cable TV and make it > > > interesting by putting them in a cage with a pack of hungry wolves and > > > it would get international attention. Not that I advocate anything > > > like that; I'm just putting it out there for discussion. > > > > dj > > > > On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Tinker<[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 25, 1:45 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> As religious tolerance continues, what are we to think about this? > > > > It's time to quit tolerating religion. > > > > >> What are we to do about this? > > > > Change the 'direction' of Society. > > > > >> What do you think? > > > > I think a finger or two would have been sufficient :-) > > > > > peace & Love > > > > >http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8118306.stm --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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