So a brutal power that uses brutality to stay in power is a viable recourse?
No, of course not. I play Devil's advocate so much I forget to specify that's what I'm up to. My point is that it is effective. It works to control a society. This is what the Warlords in Samalia(and other places) do to remain in power. If they didn't do it they'd be killed and someone else would. That doesn't make it right(please no tired 'might makes right' tropes) but to remain in power over a largely uneducated populace it's the only thing that works. Maybe control of water or some other resource might help but fear is the biggest motivator. The threat of force(violence) only works if it is known you are willing and capable of using it. When you have moronic politicians making statements along the lines of "I voted to threaten to use force, not actually use it" other countries see us as the paper tiger we have become. This makes us less effective as the defunct global policeman we used to be. Perhaps this is a good thing. Perhaps it's not our job to save other people's from genocide. It's a brave new world. dj On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Slip Disc<[email protected]> wrote: > > To maintain a semblance of > order in a brutal society brutal methods are necessary. Making them > public would be even more effective.<<<DJ > > So a brutal power that uses brutality to stay in power is a viable > recourse? You find justification in murder for the sake of > squelching the voice of justice, the voice of protest, the act of > fairness etc? > > Brutality in controlling populations is akin to genocide. > > On Jun 26, 8:50 am, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: >> I think a finger or two would have been sufficient :-) >> >> Ah, Tink, a man after my own heart. I hate thieves and liars. Often >> murder is more noble then these two traits of humanity. A thumb on >> first offense and the other if he does it again. Brutality is >> effective in controlling populations. Look how well it is working in >> Iran. The protests are effectively over. To maintain a semblance of >> order in a brutal society brutal methods are necessary. Making them >> public would be even more effective. Remember the brutality after >> the Shah was brought down in 1979? Tens of thousands were rounded up >> and murdered. It kept the populace quiet for a generation. This is >> why keel hauling was used on navy ships in the past. Many times crews >> were made up of criminals and drunks and scurvy dogs. The almost >> certain death of a keel hauling and subsequent parading of the flesh >> torn bodies would scare anyone into towing the line. >> >> On capital punishment. How about public executions? What would be the >> effect of this? Would it galvanize the public against the death >> penalty or for it? Would it serve as more of a detriment? We rid the >> world of a lot of murderers here in Texas every year but it hardly >> makes a ripple in the news cycle. Put that on cable TV and make it >> interesting by putting them in a cage with a pack of hungry wolves and >> it would get international attention. Not that I advocate anything >> like that; I'm just putting it out there for discussion. >> >> dj >> >> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Tinker<[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > On Jun 25, 1:45 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> As religious tolerance continues, what are we to think about this? >> > It's time to quit tolerating religion. >> >> >> What are we to do about this? >> > Change the 'direction' of Society. >> >> >> What do you think? >> > I think a finger or two would have been sufficient :-) >> >> > peace & Love >> >> >http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8118306.stm > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
