Yes, so this is where we sort out what Don is querying.  I insult then
apologize, why?  Is it because I want to make myself feel better, make
Don feel better or to simply brush it under the carpet as if it never
happened.   The insult remains regardless of the attempt to retract it
via the apology.  However, I may be admitting that I was in error to
inflict such an insult in the first place rendering the insult without
a viable foundation.  My post was of course intended humor but it does
have bit of demonstrative value.
If I forget a birthday and apologize it still reflects the fact that
the birthday was not as important as my personal agenda.  Does the
apology in most cases serve as a recognition of a personal flaw?  The
recipient may or may not accept an apology depending upon the
understanding of the issuer's intent, was it sincere or mere
platitudinous?  I think at this point we have to categorize apologies
as in the lapse of memory apology, the post insult apology, political
apology, infidelity, criminal etc.  One most distinct apology would be
that of apologizing to ourselves, the personal apology, recognition of
a slight against one's self.

On Jun 28, 4:42 am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote:
> Yes, Slip, you succeeded admirably ! In act, not " words."
>
> On Jun 28, 5:23 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > That's ridiculous you jackass Oops! I'm sorry Don, I apologize, I
> > didn't realize I was still online! Honest ;-)
>
> > On Jun 27, 3:08 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > I never have understood the request for an apology.  Is it the
> > > embarrassment this brings to the apologizer we are after or do we
> > > really expect to feel better ourselves?  I feel it's more likely the
> > > person's ulterior motive is to gain tort advantage.  Correct me if I'm
> > > wrong Gruff, but in legalize isn't an apology akin to an admission of
> > > guilt or at least responsibility for a wrongdoing?  It's a good way to
> > > get sued.
>
> > > When someone I love or respect is angry with me it's usually due to a
> > > misunderstanding.  Things get said or done by one or the other of us
> > > and regret can follow.  I neither want nor expect an apology.  You
> > > can't take "sorry" to the bank.  What I try to do when I feel bad
> > > about how I've treated someone is DO something, not say something.
> > > Talk is cheap.  I pay my debts in action, not words.(I'm running out
> > > of cliches)
>
> > > In researching this topic on the internet earlier I ran across Plato's
> > > Apology.  Which of course is really no apology at all but more of an
> > > accusation.  In retrospect, looking back on all the times I've given
> > > insincere apologies(these are legion and expected) I did the same
> > > thing.  If not out loud then certainly in my head and with my
> > > expression.  Deception has never been my strong suit.
>
> > > Does an apology mean anything to you and if so, why?  Help me
> > > understand why this is so important to some people.- Hide quoted text -
>
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