Sometimes people who love one another have to "cool off" while they examine their intentions and reactions.
On Jun 28, 11:46�pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > I have a better understanding now. �It's by conversation and a sharing > of our intentions, goals and desires that we learn to understand one > another. �I've always been a better listener then communicator and > that's a flaw this ME group will help me ameliorate. �Forgiveness > actually is very important to me. �All the people that I'm still close > to(not many) I feel have forgiven me for past transgressions and I > certainly hold no grudges against them. �Perhaps this is the true > definition of friendship. �The old trope "Love is never having to say > you're sorry" is full of crap, apparently. > > The asking or demanding of an apology is, as you say, political > posturing and beneath contempt in my opinion. �Any apology offered > after such a demand is rendered ineffective so the purpose of > demanding it is suspect. > > dj > > > > On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Molly Brogan<[email protected]> wrote: > > > An apology such as Iran has asked of the US is mere posturing and > > intimidation of one country to another. �A demand for a public apology > > by one who knows that there is no basis for one is an act of public > > shaming. �All stuff and nonsense. > > > An honest apology is the beginning of clearing up misunderstanding > > between individuals or groups. �When there are perceived differences, > > and "hurt" feelings, an honest apology can begin dialogue that > > expresses the process of forgiveness. Both sides can clarify thoughts, > > feelings, ideas and begin understanding and broadening view. If the > > apology is constructed with compassionate communicaton we can settle > > our differences and truly for-give, or move on together with a common > > understanding of what is possible for everyone. �Forgiveness is as > > important as hope, faith and love, because it reconciles differences > > between us and leads to unity. > > > On Jun 28, 10:15�am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Yes, so this is where we sort out what Don is querying. �I insult then > >> apologize, why? �Is it because I want to make myself feel better, make > >> Don feel better or to simply brush it under the carpet as if it never > >> happened. � The insult remains regardless of the attempt to retract it > >> via the apology. �However, I may be admitting that I was in error to > >> inflict such an insult in the first place rendering the insult without > >> a viable foundation. �My post was of course intended humor but it does > >> have bit of demonstrative value. > >> If I forget a birthday and apologize it still reflects the fact that > >> the birthday was not as important as my personal agenda. �Does the > >> apology in most cases serve as a recognition of a personal flaw? �The > >> recipient may or may not accept an apology depending upon the > >> understanding of the issuer's intent, was it sincere or mere > >> platitudinous? �I think at this point we have to categorize apologies > >> as in the lapse of memory apology, the post insult apology, political > >> apology, infidelity, criminal etc. �One most distinct apology would be > >> that of apologizing to ourselves, the personal apology, recognition of > >> a slight against one's self. > > >> On Jun 28, 4:42�am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > Yes, Slip, you succeeded admirably ! In act, not " words." > > >> > On Jun 28, 5:23�am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > That's ridiculous you jackass Oops! I'm sorry Don, I apologize, I > >> > > didn't realize I was still online! Honest ;-) > > >> > > On Jun 27, 3:08�pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > I never have understood the request for an apology. �Is it the > >> > > > embarrassment this brings to the apologizer we are after or do we > >> > > > really expect to feel better ourselves? �I feel it's more likely the > >> > > > person's ulterior motive is to gain tort advantage. �Correct me if > >> > > > I'm > >> > > > wrong Gruff, but in legalize isn't an apology akin to an admission of > >> > > > guilt or at least responsibility for a wrongdoing? �It's a good way > >> > > > to > >> > > > get sued. > > >> > > > When someone I love or respect is angry with me it's usually due to a > >> > > > misunderstanding. �Things get said or done by one or the other of us > >> > > > and regret can follow. �I neither want nor expect an apology. �You > >> > > > can't take "sorry" to the bank. �What I try to do when I feel bad > >> > > > about how I've treated someone is DO something, not say something. > >> > > > Talk is cheap. �I pay my debts in action, not words.(I'm running out > >> > > > of cliches) > > >> > > > In researching this topic on the internet earlier I ran across > >> > > > Plato's > >> > > > Apology. �Which of course is really no apology at all but more of an > >> > > > accusation. �In retrospect, looking back on all the times I've given > >> > > > insincere apologies(these are legion and expected) I did the same > >> > > > thing. �If not out loud then certainly in my head and with my > >> > > > expression. �Deception has never been my strong suit. > > >> > > > Does an apology mean anything to you and if so, why? �Help me > >> > > > understand why this is so important to some people.- Hide quoted > >> > > > text - > > >> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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