Indeed, forgiveness is active and requires two - two individuals, two groups, two countries. Even forgiveness of self is an activity between self and not self - the higher self and the self to be transcended. All indicate various degrees of separation. And each circumstance requiring forgiveness is unique. Are there constants in the process of forgiveness itself? I think all forgiveness requires examination of self and other, compassionate communication, desire for resolution and enough intellectual and emotional coherence of the parties involved to achieve understanding. Asking forgiveness of someone who is catatonic, severely schizophrenic etc., may do you some good in the asking, but may not get you far in the relationship.
On Jun 29, 3:16 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > I think it depends on the situation. Is the apology offered to clean > up your conscience? Is making amends going to cause more pain? And > some acts should not be forgiven, imo, though this is not the > Christian view. In those cases, I pray for acceptance and try to move > on. I don't have to play God or a judge- often the other has his/her > own repercussions- plus carrying a grudge or a pail of self-pity is > not solace for the "victim", either. Life has a large scale of > transgressions from Nazi death camps to stupid assumptions/insults. > Even our justice system cannot solve everything- return of the dead, > health, fortune,etc.- but it tries. And that's something. > > On Jun 29, 5:39 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > To my mind the request for an aplogy is nowt more than a request to > > own up, to say look I know I done your wrong babe! So yeah I can see > > an apology as haveing worth, value and merit if offered scincerly. > > > On 27 June, 21:08, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I never have understood the request for an apology. Is it the > > > embarrassment this brings to the apologizer we are after or do we > > > really expect to feel better ourselves? I feel it's more likely the > > > person's ulterior motive is to gain tort advantage. Correct me if I'm > > > wrong Gruff, but in legalize isn't an apology akin to an admission of > > > guilt or at least responsibility for a wrongdoing? It's a good way to > > > get sued. > > > > When someone I love or respect is angry with me it's usually due to a > > > misunderstanding. Things get said or done by one or the other of us > > > and regret can follow. I neither want nor expect an apology. You > > > can't take "sorry" to the bank. What I try to do when I feel bad > > > about how I've treated someone is DO something, not say something. > > > Talk is cheap. I pay my debts in action, not words.(I'm running out > > > of cliches) > > > > In researching this topic on the internet earlier I ran across Plato's > > > Apology. Which of course is really no apology at all but more of an > > > accusation. In retrospect, looking back on all the times I've given > > > insincere apologies(these are legion and expected) I did the same > > > thing. If not out loud then certainly in my head and with my > > > expression. Deception has never been my strong suit. > > > > Does an apology mean anything to you and if so, why? Help me > > > understand why this is so important to some people.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
