I truly do Love you Gabby, as the bit of God that you are. I also LIKE
the way you go girl!!!

peace & Love

On Jul 2, 4:49 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote:
> I love you, too, Tink! :-)
>
> On 2 Jul., 05:07, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Sir, I understand the point gruff was making and I disputed it with
> > the description of the pattern that is repeated by all sorts of
> > reform. "Be the change you want to see", "the change begins with you"
> > and "changing the world one person at a time" all follow the same
> > pattern. The differences that you refer to are simply differences of
> > time, place and material following the same ineffective pattern.
> > The pattern is inherent to the 'direction' of Society. The 'direction'
> > of Society is enforced by 'the fear of the unknown' and
> > "everybody" (except me who knows how it can be done) is afraid to even
> > discuss the possibility of changing the 'direction' of Society.
>
> > peace & Love
>
> > On Jul 1, 8:38 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > We cannot advance when we keep repeating the same pattern. How can we
> > > possibly improve on what is contained in the pattern as long as we
> > > adhere to the pattern?<<< Tinker
>
> > > That is the whole point gruff was making, that we are not actually
> > > following a pattern that never changes but the changes are subtle in
> > > nature and hardly recognizable, unless of course you can see the
> > > changes in society over the past thousand or more years.  We are
> > > making the changes, that is why you have a black President of the
> > > United States, something that would not have been possible a mere 50
> > > years ago. Women are making a dent in the gender gap and unfortunately
> > > politicians are as corrupt as they have always been, se la vie.
>
> > > On Jul 1, 6:35 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > "I can grant certain psychic/psychological/spiritual patterns that we
> > > > repeat *until we learn better* but I see advancement in that as well."
>
> > > > We cannot advance when we keep repeating the same pattern. How can we
> > > > possibly improve on what is contained in the pattern as long as we
> > > > adhere to the pattern? The pattern IS "be the change you want to see"
> > > > and it doesn't work after thousands of years being practiced by the
> > > > majority of mankind.
> > > > To change the pattern, which basically turns the consciousness inward
> > > > to our One-ness, we need to bring our One-ness out to a 'common'
> > > > consciousness.
>
> > > > peace & Love
>
> > > > On Jul 1, 2:22 pm, gruff <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > So am I right in assuming you don't see any progress toward becoming
> > > > > more civilized over our span?  That we are just repeating old patterns
> > > > > well spoken about in literature and art over and over?
>
> > > > > I can grant certain psychic/psychological/spiritual patterns that we
> > > > > repeat until we learn better but I see advancement in that as well.
> > > > > We're like a snake biting our own tail when it comes to behavior
> > > > > patterns but that snake gets longer and fatter each cycle round.  I
> > > > > see that growth as progress as in moving forward.  That snake doesn't
> > > > > just run around itself at one place, it moves in 360 degrees from
> > > > > where we first saw it.  But we are getting better at handling this
> > > > > amazing adventure of becoming more human (it seems to me) in spite of
> > > > > this 'veneer of civilization' we hold so gingerly because on another
> > > > > level we know a lot of it is a pretense, a denial.  It amazes me
> > > > > sometimes the number of times I've said, oh yeah, I can do that
> > > > > without a clue.
>
> > > > > On Jul 1, 12:35 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > It was the OT. Adam and Eve. Abel and Cain. The Greek myths and
> > > > > > tragedies. All that has followed is just a variation.
>
> > > > > > On Jul 1, 2:20 am, gruff <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Oh yes. I like to say that our veneer of civilization is thin and
> > > > > > > easily stripped away.
>
> > > > > > > On Jun 30, 3:17 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> 
> > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > "The difference between you and me is one...bad...day." - The 
> > > > > > > > Joker
> > > > > > > > When it comes to violating social norms, it takes a 
> > > > > > > > surprisingly little
> > > > > > > > amount of trauma to begin to shift to "the other side".
> > > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 5:57 PM, ornamentalmind 
> > > > > > > > <[email protected]>wrote:
> > > > > > > > > "We have met the enemy and he is us." - Lord of the Flies
>
> > > > > > > Are you sure? I thought it was Walt Kelley's Pogo who nomed that
> > > > > > > plume.
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