So am I right in assuming you don't see any progress toward becoming
more civilized over our span?  That we are just repeating old patterns
well spoken about in literature and art over and over?

I can grant certain psychic/psychological/spiritual patterns that we
repeat until we learn better but I see advancement in that as well.
We're like a snake biting our own tail when it comes to behavior
patterns but that snake gets longer and fatter each cycle round.  I
see that growth as progress as in moving forward.  That snake doesn't
just run around itself at one place, it moves in 360 degrees from
where we first saw it.  But we are getting better at handling this
amazing adventure of becoming more human (it seems to me) in spite of
this 'veneer of civilization' we hold so gingerly because on another
level we know a lot of it is a pretense, a denial.  It amazes me
sometimes the number of times I've said, oh yeah, I can do that
without a clue.

On Jul 1, 12:35 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote:
> It was the OT. Adam and Eve. Abel and Cain. The Greek myths and
> tragedies. All that has followed is just a variation.
>
> On Jul 1, 2:20 am, gruff <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Oh yes. I like to say that our veneer of civilization is thin and
> > easily stripped away.
>
> > On Jun 30, 3:17 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > "The difference between you and me is one...bad...day." - The Joker
> > > When it comes to violating social norms, it takes a surprisingly little
> > > amount of trauma to begin to shift to "the other side".
> > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 5:57 PM, ornamentalmind 
> > > <[email protected]>wrote:
> > > > "We have met the enemy and he is us." - Lord of the Flies
>
> > Are you sure? I thought it was Walt Kelley's Pogo who nomed that
> > plume.
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