"In the area of thinking about morality, the abortion question
underlines for me the insight that moral decisions are inevitably
situational (which does not mean relativist)."

I suppose we should start with term clarifications. An intrinsically
immoral act is one that is not situational, and can /never/ be
justified.  Procured abortion is offered as an instance.

Why would the dispute over abortion lead one to conclude "moral
decisions are situational"? I just don't follow this -- I tried to
reverse-engineer the reasoning. It seems to go like this.

We disagree about X.
Therefore, X is situational.

It just doesn't follow.  From the /fact/ of disagreement, what
follows?  If I am misstating your argument, please lay it out. What
leads one to conclude "therefore moral decisions are inevitably
situational". Inevitably situational? That sounds pretty absolute!

On Jul 4, 7:55 am, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote:
> The abortion "hand grenade" has been fizzing around on the "What is
> Evil?" thread for a while now - I think Alan W. threw it in
> originally, so let's cordon it off in its own thread, shall we? At the
> same time, I'll try to put it into a wider context here, in the hope
> that it might even exemplarily give rise to a wider discussion.
> Reluctantly - because I am a man and I feel that we men should take a
> very subordinate role in this discussion, as we don't get pregnant
> and  - literally - don't get left holding the baby.
>
> In an ideal world, abortion would hardly be necessary. Young people
> would be universally and adequately educated in sexual issues before
> reaching puberty, reliable means of contraception would be universally
> easily available, sexual violence (i.e. rape) would be non-existent,
> young people reaching fertility would develop in an environment where
> they could discover, experiment with, learn to deal with, cherish and
> enjoy their sexuality in the knowledge of the possible consequences
> and take responsible reproductive decisions in this context. Children
> would be born into a society which really cherished them and provided
> for circumstances in which they could develop and thrive as human
> beings, and their mothers (and fathers) would receive all the support
> neccessary to provide a loving and secure environment for their
> children.
>
> We do not live in such a world. Daily, thousands of women discover
> that they are pregnant, although they have not wished to be so and do
> not - for many different reasons - feel that they can take on the
> responsibility of caring for a child. Some carry through with the
> preganancy and do a magnificent job of rearing the unplanned child.
> Some carry through with the pregnancy and make a complete mess of
> rearing the child, damaging its life and their own enormously in the
> process. Some terminate the pregnancy.
>
> This is never an easy decision and none of the women I know who have
> terminated pregnancies have taken it lightly. They all pay a high
> price for it, for a few, a price with which they have great problems
> dealing, even years later. The last things any woman faced with this
> fateful decision needs (whichever way the decision goes) are attitudes
> of condemnation, legal barriers, people who claim to know better
> taking over their lives, etc. And emotionally loaded slogans like
> "baby murder" are completely inappropriate - as are attacks on those
> who choose to aid them, should they decide to terminate the pregnancy.
>
> Legally prohibiting abortion solves nothing. I can cite as a
> particularly apt example my own homeland, Ireland. Abortion is illegal
> in Ireland - the country is, in the view of those who support this
> position, "pro-life." All it means is that many women with sufficient
> social competence and financial means who have an unwanted pregnancy
> travel to the UK and obtain an abortion there (the estimates are
> thousands yearly). Those without these advantages - as a rule, the
> ones least equipped to provide an adequate environment for a new
> member of the human race - carry the pregnancy to term with the
> frequent result that conditions of social misery are continued for
> another generation. The holier-than-thou hypocrisy of this situation
> has always sickened me (even during the period when I was a member of
> a Catholic religious order in Ireland many years ago).
>
> In the area of thinking about morality, the abortion question
> underlines for me the insight that moral decisions are inevitably
> situational (which does not mean relativist). Moral decisions are
> always made in a particular complex context, by individual people. The
> role of societies and laws in such situations is to help and support
> people to make responsible decisions. Commandments, fiats and
> anathemas don't help. The most we can ever perhaps hope to achieve are
> moral norms, i.e. guidelines which state that, in general, one
> direction of decision is usually morally preferable to another -
> without giving absolute guidance for any particular situation.
>
> I realise that this position is not acceptable for those who purport
> to be able to derive particular moral absolutes from natural law -
> even more so for those who appeal to divine law. But I find attempts
> to follow this way to be extremely questionable and often unacceptably
> arrogant. It takes a hell of a lot of chutzpah to be so confident
> about the infallibility of every step of one's own process of
> reasoning, especially in such complex processes as the derivation of
> particular moral principles. But then, as I've stated here more than
> once, I find the Kantian approach to morality much more helpful.
>
> Francis
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