I did that Chris, hopefully you saw my reply to Vam. The personal remarks about parents was unwarranted but I do tend to get angry when I see adults neglecting their duties. Taking care of your kids is number one or at least should be. We are not in Depression era times. There are so many resources for destitute people, there really is little excuse for prolonged hunger. Mental illness and depression(are these the same?) complicate things I'm sure but one learns to deal. In crisis I don't have time for depression so it's generally not a problem until the crisis is over and i crash. Then it's time to dig holes in my yard or have an affair in Argentina. (heh)
I'm on vacation starting today. I'm very interested in the discussions going on but will be playing catch-up next weekend. Hope everyone had a good Fourth. Live long and prosper. <---------Great new movie, btw. dj On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Chris Jenkins<[email protected]> wrote: > Coming in way late here, but the two dimensionality in your perception of > poverty is incredible, Don. As one of those kids who was reliable on a free > lunch program, let me not offer an anecdotal counterpoint, but simply say > that you should open up your worldview to the possibility that children who > are starving don't ALWAYS have piece of garbage parents. Just a thought. > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Don Johnson <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 03:15:10 -0500 > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: What is Evil? > > There is faulty logic here. You are assuming that if one opposes > abortion then one also opposes feeding starving children. These are > not mutually exclusive ideals. Far from it in fact. What I see > happening is some conservatives believe people should take > responsibility for their children. Wither that is in the womb or at > home making sure they get enough to eat. If the kids are coming to > school starving then CPS takes them away from their no good piece of > garbage useless parents. The kids get fed and get out from under > their loser parents. Everybody wins. > > It would be like me saying since you(example here, keep pantyhose on) > favor abortion then you must want to murder all hungry children. See, > makes no since whatsoever. > > For the record, I think women should be in control of their own > bodies. I also think they should do it without tax payer money. So > I'm pro-choice, anti-enable. Lunch at my kids school is a buck 75. > If their parents can't afford that on their welfare checks something > is very, very hinky and CPS should be involved. > > dj > > > On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 2:16 AM, iam deheretic<[email protected]> wrote: >> Those that are anti abortion and don't rant on about the starving children. >> that is very easy to explain. abortion they can rant about and it cost them >> very little, maybe a small donation and a little time, now starving >> children on the other hand takes a major commitment and to do it would >> require a major out lay of cash. as well as a major outlay of time.. so the >> out lay of money and time are the major factors in the choice of what to >> support. >> Allan >> >> On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 8:50 PM, retiredjim34 <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Lee - an interesting thread; thanks for initiating it. >>> Many have tried to understand why there is evil in this world, >>> How can it be reconciled with an all powerful, all good God. In all >>> cases known to me the reasoning looks at the question from afar, much >>> as another god might look at it. The answer usually begins by setting >>> up a continuum such as murder to injury to no harm, and labels one end >>> of the continuum evil. It then struggles with reconciling the >>> continuum, or at least an end of it, with an omniscient God. >>> What I proposed as a definition of evil proceeds from within, >>> from the effect the evil has on those involved with it. Thus, I >>> proposed that an evil act is one that drives us together, one that >>> makes us desperate for the comfort of other human beings. Doing this I >>> believe presents a fair description of the effect of evil, while at >>> the same time revealing the reason for evil - to make us desperate for >>> the comfort of others. Of course I don't think that to be bad - I >>> didn't label the evil and good definitions I proposed as either >>> yeilding good or bad results. (But I do think that in the sense I >>> propose evil has a good effect and the result of good as I define it >>> is bad - which of course is contra to what most of the others in this >>> thread seem to think.) >>> Again, how's that for strange? Jim >>> >>> On Jul 1, 2:41 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > That's the point Jim. In all of the examples you listed it is pretty >>> > much understood by the majority that these acts are considered not >>> > good. Yes of course such acts do come under normal human behavoiur >>> > but only in so much as normal humans have commited such acs. However >>> > if we consider what is normal to be what the majority agree's then >>> > murder is not as normal as it would seem. >>> > >>> > Indeed I must confess that part of my reason for creating this thread >>> > is to try to understand the argument against a creator God for the >>> > reason of the existance of evil. >>> > >>> > I'm still nto getting it though. Why is it a bad thing that we seek >>> > out the company of each other? Also to do so does not necisarily mean >>> > that we are not competent on our own, without others of our species to >>> > help. >>> > >>> > On 30 June, 10:54, retiredjim34 <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > Lee - thanks for considering my proposed definition. You ask: How can >>> > > normal human behavior be defined as evil? I suspect that it largely is >>> > > a matter of viewpoint. Surely the KKK didn't consider lynching negroes >>> > > evil; Nor did Hitler consider the holocaust evil, or the Romans >>> > > crucifiction of the Christians, or maybe even a mother's murder of a >>> > > molester of her child. I expect you have heard of the theodicy >>> > > problem: given an all powerful, all good God, why does evil exist in >>> > > this world? Many have proposed their answer to this question. The >>> > > answers are summarized in Philosophies for Dummies - 1. All evil is >>> > > punishment for sin. 2. All evil results from the misuse of free will. >>> > > 3. Evil requires a moral choice which leads to soul building. 4. Some >>> > > combination of 1-3. >>> > > Instead of these views of evil from afar, I propose a view of evil >>> > > from within the moment. It's purpose and function is to bring us >>> > > together. In that sense it is an antidote to good, which as I said >>> > > tends to let us think that we've got it made and need no one. Aren't >>> > > these responses to good and evil the normal human responses.? I think >>> > > so. How's that for strange? >>> > >>> > > On Jun 29, 2:49 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>> > > wrote: >>> > >>> > > > That's a strange way of seeing it Jim. >>> > >>> > > > I would think that as our speices is undeniably social then >>> > > > incorperated in the norm is the need for human contact, as such how >>> > > > can what can only be considered normal behavour stand up to being >>> > > > defined as evil? >>> > >>> > > > On 27 June, 22:01, retiredjim34 <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >>> > > > > How about this as an answer? Evil is whatever brings us together, >>> > > > > makes us desparate for the comfort of one another, while good is >>> > > > > all >>> > > > > that makes us think we are independent, don't need anyone, have >>> > > > > things >>> > > > > nailed, are the very best and can do anything we want. Or is that >>> > > > > too >>> > > > > simple an answer? >>> > >>> > > > > On Jun 24, 1:51 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >>> > > > > > A simple question, or is it?- Hide quoted text - >>> > >>> > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >>> > >>> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >>> > >>> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >>> > >>> > - Show quoted text - >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> ( >> ) >> I_D Allan >> >> > >> > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en > -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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