You are welcome Jim, and yes it is very strange and I'm still not getting it. Perhaps if you put it another way for my poor lil head?
On 3 July, 19:50, retiredjim34 <[email protected]> wrote: > Lee - an interesting thread; thanks for initiating it. > Many have tried to understand why there is evil in this world, > How can it be reconciled with an all powerful, all good God. In all > cases known to me the reasoning looks at the question from afar, much > as another god might look at it. The answer usually begins by setting > up a continuum such as murder to injury to no harm, and labels one end > of the continuum evil. It then struggles with reconciling the > continuum, or at least an end of it, with an omniscient God. > What I proposed as a definition of evil proceeds from within, > from the effect the evil has on those involved with it. Thus, I > proposed that an evil act is one that drives us together, one that > makes us desperate for the comfort of other human beings. Doing this I > believe presents a fair description of the effect of evil, while at > the same time revealing the reason for evil - to make us desperate for > the comfort of others. Of course I don't think that to be bad - I > didn't label the evil and good definitions I proposed as either > yeilding good or bad results. (But I do think that in the sense I > propose evil has a good effect and the result of good as I define it > is bad - which of course is contra to what most of the others in this > thread seem to think.) > Again, how's that for strange? Jim > > On Jul 1, 2:41 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > That's the point Jim. In all of the examples you listed it is pretty > > much understood by the majority that these acts are considered not > > good. Yes of course such acts do come under normal human behavoiur > > but only in so much as normal humans have commited such acs. However > > if we consider what is normal to be what the majority agree's then > > murder is not as normal as it would seem. > > > Indeed I must confess that part of my reason for creating this thread > > is to try to understand the argument against a creator God for the > > reason of the existance of evil. > > > I'm still nto getting it though. Why is it a bad thing that we seek > > out the company of each other? Also to do so does not necisarily mean > > that we are not competent on our own, without others of our species to > > help. > > > On 30 June, 10:54, retiredjim34 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Lee - thanks for considering my proposed definition. You ask: How can > > > normal human behavior be defined as evil? I suspect that it largely is > > > a matter of viewpoint. Surely the KKK didn't consider lynching negroes > > > evil; Nor did Hitler consider the holocaust evil, or the Romans > > > crucifiction of the Christians, or maybe even a mother's murder of a > > > molester of her child. I expect you have heard of the theodicy > > > problem: given an all powerful, all good God, why does evil exist in > > > this world? Many have proposed their answer to this question. The > > > answers are summarized in Philosophies for Dummies - 1. All evil is > > > punishment for sin. 2. All evil results from the misuse of free will. > > > 3. Evil requires a moral choice which leads to soul building. 4. Some > > > combination of 1-3. > > > Instead of these views of evil from afar, I propose a view of evil > > > from within the moment. It's purpose and function is to bring us > > > together. In that sense it is an antidote to good, which as I said > > > tends to let us think that we've got it made and need no one. Aren't > > > these responses to good and evil the normal human responses.? I think > > > so. How's that for strange? > > > > On Jun 29, 2:49 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > That's a strange way of seeing it Jim. > > > > > I would think that as our speices is undeniably social then > > > > incorperated in the norm is the need for human contact, as such how > > > > can what can only be considered normal behavour stand up to being > > > > defined as evil? > > > > > On 27 June, 22:01, retiredjim34 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > How about this as an answer? Evil is whatever brings us together, > > > > > makes us desparate for the comfort of one another, while good is all > > > > > that makes us think we are independent, don't need anyone, have things > > > > > nailed, are the very best and can do anything we want. Or is that too > > > > > simple an answer? > > > > > > On Jun 24, 1:51 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > A simple question, or is it?- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
