I agree- not sure who Coles is.// Also Eleanor Powell was a great partner with Astair- an amazing duet- I forget the movie- Chicago used to show those older films before Turner. Maybe RKO.//Recently, my daughter-in-law sent a large black and white photo of the grand- daughters sipping a soda in costume- one/taps the other/ballet- lost in little girl thoughts- and I thought of this thread.
On Jul 11, 3:45 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > While I too appreciated Gene and Fred, there were better dancers. > Unfortunately, most were black and during that era of Jim Crow, these > great dancers had to play less suave and attractive characters > resulting, I would guess, in less general popularity. > If I didn’t know better, I would question our leaving out greats such > as Bill Robinson, the Hines family, Charles Coles et al any of which > could dance rings around MJ! > > On Jul 11, 10:42 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Also, Gene Kelly was terrific. > > > On Jul 11, 11:22 am, puppy <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > if you can produce evidence of another artist that issued such > > > extraordinary talent preceding that of Jackson" I can name that > > > talent and it is Fred Astaire, a extraordinary talented performer. > > > His ten movies, during the 1930s, with Ginger Rogers are the evidence. > > > Micheal Jackson was one of the first exceptional dance innovator, > > > choreographer. And had a wonderful stage presence. I wasn't a fan > > > but I recognize why he became an idol. > > > > On Jul 8, 5:51 am, Ian Pollard <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Rather than derailing Molly's thread on beauty, here's a new one > > > > continuing > > > > my discussion with Slip on Michael Jackson and art. Of course, anyone > > > > else > > > > is welcome to contribute. > > > > > 2009/7/8 Slip Disc <[email protected]> > > > > > > Ian really, the Caravaggio comparison is pertinent but only in the > > > > > context of that era and Jackson in this era. Equally they crossed the > > > > > line, creating a frenzy of mind boggling spectacle. > > > > > Each to their own. If crotch-grabbing/thrusting is your bag, then more > > > > power > > > > to you! If you think that the moonwalk was art -- rather than a > > > > fun/cheesy > > > > gimmick -- then that's okay too. > > > > > I found nothing Jackson produced to be "mind-bloggling". He was > > > > labelled the > > > > "King of Pop", but pop -- by its very nature -- is asinine, disposable, > > > > and > > > > commercial... with due exception given to the genres of indie pop and > > > > C86. > > > > See: > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indie_pop > > > > > Of course > > > > > > if you can produce evidence of another artist that issued such > > > > > extraordinary talent preceding that of Jackson, I, as well as others, > > > > > would concede to your view. > > > > > I can only assume this is a joke -- often hard to tell if we're not > > > > face-to-face -- or you have had very limited exposure to music. I am > > > > happy > > > > to talk about music and could offer up examples for longer than you'd > > > > likely > > > > care to hear them. However, for the purposes of this discussion, I'll > > > > give > > > > you a single, and I think comparable example, of a male solo writer and > > > > performer: David Bowie. > > > > > > I personally have no interest, never had, > > > > > in the Jackson attraction. I am only motivated by your lack of > > > > > recognition of the innovation, > > > > > Innovation is a serious word to throw around in music; I suggest you > > > > proceed > > > > cautiously with the examples I am looking forward to you offering up. > > > > I'd be > > > > particularly cautious when referring to Michael Jackson's contributions, > > > > however, because, as I am sure you know, he did very little himself... > > > > thus > > > > any credit for innovation will be, at the very best, diluted. > > > > > > Art is something of a misnomer > > > > > in that people will and are paying thousands of dollars for > > > > > contemporary "Graffiti" art, which for me as an artist styled in > > > > > Renaissance period art view as pure "garbage". So in that sense, your > > > > > view of Micheal Jackson as less than an art form is reflective of your > > > > > lack of understanding what "art" is all about. > > > > > Mend your tone a little, Slip. > > > > > Ian- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
